Lee Oswald The Cop Killer

[Matt Grantham]

Do any of the aspects of Holan's story fit with other witnesses accounts?....If the answer is no then perhaps Holan's story is not credible.

 It is corroborated the other witness who saw two assailants  Two kinds of bullets The cop car that went by Oswald's boarding house and suspicious behavior and stories of other cops such as Westbrook Not a very comprehensive answer on my part, but what single witness to all of this is not not contradicted by another in some respect?

[Bill Brown]

Sometimes you just have to laugh about the circular arguments of a simpleton.....

Witnesses at the Tippit scene claimed the man they saw was wearing a jacket. Ergo, if Oswald did not leave the roominghouse wearing a jacket, he might just not have been the man those witnesses saw.

So enter Earlene Roberts, the half blind story teller who was concentrating on getting the TV to work, who is the only person who could possibly say if Oswald left wearing a jacket or not.....and, despite her credibility problem with honking police cars etc, mr. simpleton blindly accepts her word for it, because..... wait for it........... other witnesses saw a guy wearing a jacket.....pfffffffff

Let's hope the day will never come that mr simpleton understands circular logic.... the shock of becoming aware might just prove too much for him.

Earlene Roberts mentions the jacket on the afternoon of 11/22/63.  This is a fact.  Get over it.

[Bill Brown]

All the WC/LN BS about the jacked has already been picked apart in this thread:

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,124.0.html

Picked apart?  LOL

[Bill Brown]

RE Clemons

Speculation.?Another witness to the slaying of Patrolman Tippit,
an unidentified woman, was interviewed by the FBI but was never
called as a witness by the President's Commission on the Assassination
of President Kennedy. This witness is alleged to have stated that
she saw two men involved in the shooting and that they ran off in
opposite directions afterward.
Commission finding.?The only woman among the witnesses to the
slaying of Tippit known to the Commission is Helen Markham. The
FBI never interviewed any other woman who claimed to haive seen
the shooting and never received any information concerning the existence
of such a witness. Two women, Barbara Jeanette Davis and
Virginia Davis, saw the killer immediately after the shooting as
he crossed the lawn at the corner of Patton Avenue and 10th Street,
but they did not witness the shooting itself. They were both interviewed
by the FBI and appeared before the Commission. The Commission
has no evidence that there was any witness to the slaying
other than those identified in chapter IV.

Not exactly speculation if it wasn't the FBI who talked to her...those lawyers were no fools.

Acquilla Clemons was NOT a witness to the "slaying of Patrolman Tippit".

I guess Helen Markham, Domingo Benavides and William Scoggins somehow managed to miss the mysterious second killer.  I wonder how they could have missed him.

[Bill Brown]

Seems like everything happened "in a flash" that day

I'm not sure what you mean by that but nevertheless, the ambulance was only one and a half blocks away (at the funeral home) at the time of the shooting.

[Bill Brown]

"Dallas researcher Michael Brownlow interviewed Doris Holan, who lived directly across the street from the shooting, in a second-floor apartment at 409 East Tenth (researcher Bill Pulte accompanied Brownlow on one of his two interviews with Holan shortly before her death in 2000). She said that a police car had appeared in the driveway between the two houses (404 and 410 East Tenth) at the spot where Tippit was killed. Whether Tippit did so intentionally or coincidentally, he had blocked that driveway, which led to an alley at mid-block, parallel to both East Tenth and Jefferson Boulevard. Tippit, while driving eastward, may have been trying to use his squad car to prevent another police car from leaving the driveway. Holan said when she heard shots and looked out her window, the other police car was heading down the driveway approaching Tippit's vehicle.

... 'She saw a man leaving the scene, moving westward toward Patton... Near the (second) police car she also saw a man in the driveway walking toward the street, where Tippit's car was parked.' That man went up to where Tippit was lying, looked down to inspect the officer's head, and retreated back down the driveway, with the unidentified police car backing up at the same time to the alley. So Holan reported at least three suspicious men at the scene, including two men on foot and the driver of the second police car. Whoever killed Tippit may have fled in that car or in another vehicle or on foot through that alley adjacent to the shooting scene. And Tippit may have been shot by two men, a possibility the ballistics evidence, with different kinds of ammunition, might suggest, even though that evidence is unreliable. Most (not all) witnesses reported a man fleeing around the corner and up Patton toward Jefferson, which would be compatible with Holan's account.

 Mike Brownlow?  After her death?  Then it must be true.

[Bill Brown]

It is corroborated the other witness who saw two assailants  Two kinds of bullets The cop car that went by Oswald's boarding house and suspicious behavior and stories of other cops such as Westbrook Not a very comprehensive answer on my part, but what single witness to all of this is not not contradicted by another in some respect?

No.

The real witnesses (Markham, Benavides, Scoggins) who were actually there (strange concept, I know) describe Tippit encountering just one man. 

"Two kinds of bullets" means absolutely nothing... unless you care to elaborate.

[Matt Grantham]

 Any non police witnesses who saw Oswald with the gun in the theater?
Bernard Haire, owner of a hobby shop two doors from the theater, walked out the rear of his shop shortly before 2:00 PM and saw police cars backed up to Madison Street. He watched as the police escorted a man from the rear of the Texas Theater wearing a "white pullover shirt." They placed the man in a squad car and drove away. He noticed the man was very "flush" in the face as though he had been in a struggle. Haire's description of this man-"white shirt" with a "flush face"-is consistent with witness statements of Tippit's killer before, during and after the shooting

Shortly after 2:00 PM, Mr. T. F. White observed a man sitting in a 1961 red Ford Falcon, with the engine running, in the El Chico parking lot behind his garage. This is five blocks north of the Texas Theater. As Mr. White approached the car, the driver turned and looked at him. The driver then sped off in a westerly direction on Davis Street. Mr. White, who later saw Oswald's picture on TV, said the man in the Falcon was identical to Oswald and wore a "white T-shirt." When told by the FBI that Oswald was in jail at 2:00 PM, White still maintained that the man he saw driving the red Falcon was "possibly identical" to the Oswald he had seen on TV after the assassination. This Oswald "sighting" shortly after Harvey Oswald's arrest at the Texas Theater could have been a case of mistaken identity. But Mr. White, who had been given police training, wrote down the vehicle's license plate number. The plates belonged to a blue 1957 Plymouth 4 door sedan-not a 1961 red Ford Falcon. The Plymouth belonged to Carl Mather, a long time employee of Collins Radio and close friend of J.D. Tippit. Newsman and former Dallas Mayor Wes Wise heard of the unusual Oswald sighting. Mr. Wise and fellow news reporter Jane Bartell questioned Mather about the incident over dinner. Mather was so nervous he could hardly talk and said little. In 1977 the HSCA wanted to interview Mather about this incident. He agreed, but not before he was granted immunity from prosecution by the Justice Department. Mather was interviewed by the HSCA, but most of the documents relating to that interview remain classified in the National Archives. Wh