Lone Nutters: Let's keep it real, why do you think there was no EOP wound?

[Tim Nickerson]

What ballistics tests show that such a round will deflect sharply upwards upon encountering one layer of skull bone? Here is the Tracking Oswald part 5 ballistics dummy test:

The round didn't deflect sharply upwards upon encountering one layer of skull bone. It "deflected" upward after encountering a layer of skull bone. The encounter with the skull bone had deformed it to such a degree that upon entering the brain it developed a lift that curved its trajectory upward.

What? No, fragments deposited at the base of the head could not have "leaked out" from a hole in the parietal bone.

Why not? Fragments would have also exited along with brain matter at the time of the head "explosion"

Because severe damage to the cerebellum would be an inevitable obstacle for a straight-moving bullet. Do you think a 6.5 round deflected sharply upwards as soon as it got past a single layer of skull?

When it passed through the skull, the bullet was no longer moving in a straight line trajectory. The cerebellum was far enough below the point of entry to escape extensive damage from the deformed bullet as it passed above on its curved trajectory.

[Micah Mileto]

Notice how I provided actual experimental evidence to show that such a shot entering near the EOP could not exit the parietal area and still be consistent with the rest of the of the official evidence. Could we at least both agree that a bullet traveling close to the speed of LIGHT couldn't deflect upwards upon encountering one layer of skull bone?

[Tim Nickerson]

Notice how I provided actual experimental evidence to show that such a shot entering near the EOP could not exit the parietal area and still be consistent with the rest of the of the official evidence.

Micah, Could you provide that actual experimental evidence so that I can see it?

Could we at least both agree that a bullet traveling close to the speed of LIGHT couldn't deflect upwards upon encountering one layer of skull bone?

Can we agree? No can do. "Bullets traveling close to the speed of light" is above my pay grade.

There was a young lady named Bright
Whose speed was far faster than light;
She set out one day
In a relative way
And returned on the previous night

[Joe Elliott]

Micah, I accept what is in the autopsy report. The wound was slightly above the EOP.

I agree.

The EOP entrance actually works best with a bullet that is curving through the head, as ballistic expert Larry Sturdivan says real bullets do. The bullet curves upwards, exiting at a higher point on the head than one would expect (if it travelled in a straight line) allowing the three fragments to clear, or almost clear, the windshield.

In contrast, the cowlick entrance calls for the bullet to travel in a straight line, not deflected upon striking the skull on entrance, travelling a straight line through the head, then making an abrupt change of direction upwards upon striking the skull at the far side of the head.

I think the HSCA preferred the cowlick entry over the EOP entry, because that allows the sniper?s nest, the entrance wound and the exit wound to line up. They didn?t realize that bullets (which start to fragment) don?t travel in a straight line. And didn?t bother themselves with wondering why the fragments didn?t end up staying on this straight line but deflected upwards.

[Joe Elliott]

The following diagrams are crude but make it simpler to see how the HSCA was drawn to a false Cowlick entry theory:







This shows:

  ** the direction of a shot from the sniper?s next

  ** a possible EOP entry location

  ** a possible Cowlick entry location

  ** the exit wound location

  ** the direction of the windshield frame, roughly where the fragments ended up striking

One fragment hit the windshield frame. Another hit a several inches lower, on the windshield itself. The largest fragment, 60% of the bullet, went on to slightly wound Mr. Tague, without (I believe) first striking the curb.

The HSCA looked at this and noticed that the (1) TSBD Sniper?s nest, (2) EOP entry wound, (3) Exit wound, did not line up. This caused them to closely look at the ?Cowlick? location, which would line up. And seeing what they expected to see, they found such a wound. And concluded the autopsy doctors must have been mistaken.

But they should have noticed that other locations did not line up. The crack in the windshield. The dent in the windshield frame. Nor the path required to hit Mr. Tague. Clearly, the bullet, or the bullet fragments, must deviate from a straight line, somewhere along the path. So, there is no compelling reason to insist that the entrance wound must be at a location that lines up.





Below is a diagram of the cowlick theory:

Cowlick Theory:


There is a nice straight line from the sniper?s nest, through the cowlick, to the exit location. But not to the windshield frame. If this theory is true, there was no deflection caused by entering the skull, but there was a large deflection caused by exiting the skull. No ballistic expert would expect this, I believe.





Below is a diagram of the EOP theory:

EOP Theory:


Upon entering the skull, the bullet starts to fragment. This is because the bullet (unlike the bullet that struck both JFK and Connally at z222) struck bone, the skull, with about 90% of its initial muzzle velocity. The distorted bullet and/or fragments curve a good deal more than an intact bullet. This has been demonstrated in ballistic tests using ballistic gel.

Within a millisecond, while still within the head, the bullet fragmented into two and then at least 3 parts. The fragments would be rotating and the axis of rotation would be changing. The fragments would follow unpredictable curved paths. Throughout much of the path through the head, the bullet must have held together, while fragmenting, resulting in an upward curve. The direction of the curve was random. Once the fragments became separated, each fragment was free to follow its own path.





This is the path a ballistic expert would expect a bullet to follow. Not a straight line through the skull, then an abrupt, angular deflection upon exiting. One can learn about this from reading Larry Sturdivan?s book ?The JFK Myths?.

While there are any number of CTers who would disagree with this and claim this is not how bullets behave, I have never heard of any ballistic expert in the world, an expert who runs tests with bullets and ballistic gel (like Larry Sturdivan), who would disagree with Mr. Sturdivan. As a bullet fragments, the fragments follow unpredictable curved paths through a ballistic gel, or a body.

[Micah Mileto]

Ballistics dummy, approximate angle, Carcano round enters slightly above the EOP and exits the face, not the top of the head.

[Tim Nickerson]

The following diagrams are crude but make it simpler to see how the HSCA was drawn to a false Cowlick entry theory:







This shows:

  ** the direction of a shot from the sniper?s next

  ** a possible EOP entry location

  ** a possible Cowlick entry location

  ** the exit wound location

  ** the direction of the windshield frame, roughly where the fragments ended up striking

One fragment hit the windshield frame. Another hit a several inches lower, on the windshield itself. The largest fragment, 60% of the bullet, went on to slightly wound Mr. Tague, without (I believe) first striking the curb.

The HSCA looked at this and noticed that the (1) TSBD Sniper?s nest, (2) EOP entry wound, (3) Exit wound, did not line up. This caused them to closely look at the ?Cowlick? location, which would line up. And seeing what they expected to see, they found such a wound. And concluded the autopsy doctors must have been mistaken.

But they should have noticed that other locations did not line up. The crack in the windshield. The dent in the windshield frame. Nor the path required to hit Mr. Tague. Clearly, the bullet, or the bullet fragments, must deviate from a straight line, somewhere along the path. So, there is no compelling reason to insist that the entrance wound must be at a location that lines up.





Below is a diagram of the cowlick theory:

Cowlick Theory:


There is a nice straight line from the sniper?s nest, through the cowlick, to the exit location. But not to the windshield frame. If this theory is true, there was no deflection caused by entering the skull, but there was a large deflection caused by exiting the skull. No ballistic expert would expect this, I believe.

Below is a diagram of the EOP theory:

EOP Theory:


Upon entering the skull, the bullet starts to fragment. This is because the bullet (unlike the bullet that struck both JFK and Connally at z222) struck bone, the skull, with about 90% of its initial muzzle velocity. The distorted bullet and/or fragments curve a good deal more than an intact bullet. This has been demonstrated in ballistic tests using ballistic gel.

Within a millisecond, while still within the head, the bullet fragmented into two and then at least 3 parts. The fragments would be rotating and the axis of rotation would be changing. The fragments would follow unpredictable curved paths. Throughout much of the path through the head, the bullet must have held together, while fragmenting, resulting in an upward curve. The direction of the curve was random. Once the fragments became separated, each fragment was free to follow its own path.


This is the path a ballistic expert would expect a bullet to follow. Not a straight line through the skull, then an abrupt, angular deflection upon exiting. One can learn about this from reading Larry Sturdivan?s book ?The JFK Myths?.

While there are any number of CTers who would disagree with this and claim this is not how bullets behave, I have never heard of any ballistic expert in the world, an expert who runs tests with bullets and ballistic gel (like Larry Sturdivan), who would disagree with Mr. Sturdivan. As a bullet fragments, the fragments follow unpredictable curved paths through a ballistic gel, or a body.

Joe, Why is the angle of trajectory in your EOP theory diagram so steep?