9/11/MLK/RFK

[Richard Rubio]

 Yes I was aware that flight 77 recorder was found, but then I googled some link titled by Forbes that said why were none of the Black Boxes found on the four planes and somehow imagined there was a difference in term flight recorder and black box A faux pas for sure

The destruction at ground zero was beyond belief and is shown very well in Oliver Stone's "911", fine movie:



Black boxes were not made to withstand some amounts of great destruction.

[Matt Grantham]

As said, Popular Mechanics and Quora debunks most of this rather extensively,

 My experience here is that individuals here need to make arguments for themselves rather than quoting the opinions of someone else who you believe is some final authority If you can quote them in an effective manner great, but just saying Popular Mechanics, while typical of most people, is meaningless

[Richard Rubio]

What the "Truthers" say is can be widely seen on the internet and what the debunkers say, likewise, can be found.  So, it is an interesting argument but one can find the questions and responses pretty easily, it's just an exercise in searching the web.

[Richard Rubio]

My experience here is that individuals here need to make arguments for themselves rather than quoting the opinions of someone else who you believe is some final authority If you can quote them in an effective manner great, but just saying Popular Mechanics, while typical of most people, is meaningless

So, you are saying you are an expert in aviation crashes?

If your answer is no, then, perhaps, you can examine your statement about "meaningless"!

[Richard Rubio]

Again, what we are being fed is just "truther" stuff that has been around for more than 15 years, expounded by people like Alex Jones. It's not as if the Truthers are telling us things they came up with.

[Richard Rubio]

All they saw at Shanksville Pennsylvania was a hole in the ground. The Coroner of that county left after 20 minutes . No bodies , no blood , no plane.
 
The only "energy" that could have caused the damage that was done at the Twin Towers was massive "High Heat Energy" that could cause such damage to these buildings that over "200,000 Tons of construction steel could be turned into shrapnel, that thousands of tons of concrete could be pulverized into powder, that thousands of tons of metal office equipment could be shredded into small pieces of metal and that "3,000" human bodies could disappear or be turned into Microscopic body parts, such that both buildings looked like they went through a " Shredding Machine."


profjoeval.wordpress.com/tag/raging-fires-did-not-cause-the-collapse-of-the-twin-towers

Despite this absence of human remains at the Flight 93 crash scene, the Washington Post reported: "[T]he 33 passengers, seven crew and four hijackers together weighed roughly 7,000 pounds. ... Hundreds of searchers who climbed the hemlocks and combed the woods for weeks [after 9/11] were able to find about 1,500 mostly scorched samples of human tissue totaling less than 600 pounds, or about 8 percent of the total." (Peter Perl, "Hallowed Ground," Washington Post, 5/12/2002)

By December 19, 2001, "the remains of the 40 passengers and crew, and, by process of elimination, the four hijackers" had all been identified. (Steve Levin, "Flight 93 victims' effects to go back to families," Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 12/30/2001)

http://whale.to/b/flight_9323.html

I'm vaguely familiar with one of those on the plane, Tom Burnete, he was one of those alleged to have fought the hijackers.

Wallace Miller, the coroner for Shanksville definitely said:

"It was a plane crash but yet it was a homicide because the terrorists hijacked the plane and killed the people, and the terrorists committed suicide. So from that point, yes it was a misquote, because the point that I was trying to make was, after that it more or less became a large funeral service."
http://911-questions.com/no-bodies-were-found-in-shanksville-said-coroner/

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a5688/debunking-911-myths-flight-93/

[Matt Grantham]

I'm vaguely familiar with one of those on the plane, Tom Burnete, he was one of those alleged to have fought the hijackers.

Wallace Miller, the coroner for Shanksville definitely said:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a5688/debunking-911-myths-flight-93/

 This is interesting they said they found flesh in the nearby woods? This would lend credibility that 93 was shotdown which there is evidence for