Oswald's lies proves his guilt.

[Martin Weidmann]

No, in my first or second response to your I showed the following graphic. But what you keep leaving out is that Oswald didn't order his rifle in February.



JohnM

It doesn't matter if the coupon was received by Klein's in February or March. The coupon came from "Department 358" which indicates the February issue of American Rifleman Magazine, which advertised a 36" rifle.

Mr. BELIN. Can you just give us one or more of the magazines in which this coupon might have been taken?
Mr. WALDMAN. Well, this coupon was specifically taken from American Rifleman Magazine, issue of February 1963. It's identified by the department number which is shown as--now, if I can read this--shown as Department 358 on the coupon.
Mr. BELIN. And that number also appears in the address on the envelope to you, is that correct, or to your company?
Mr. WALDMAN. That's correct.

The April advertisment had not even been published at that time, so why is Klein's sending a 40" rifle to a client who ordered a 36" rifle?

[John Mytton]

It doesn't matter if the coupon was received by Klein's in February or March. The coupon came from "Department 358" which indicates the February issue of American Rifleman Magazine, which advertised a 36" rifle.

Mr. BELIN. Can you just give us one or more of the magazines in which this coupon might have been taken?
Mr. WALDMAN. Well, this coupon was specifically taken from American Rifleman Magazine, issue of February 1963. It's identified by the department number which is shown as--now, if I can read this--shown as Department 358 on the coupon.
Mr. BELIN. And that number also appears in the address on the envelope to you, is that correct, or to your company?
Mr. WALDMAN. That's correct.

The April advertisment had not even been published at that time, so why is Klein's sending a 40" rifle to a client who ordered a 36" rifle?

If Kleins themselves differentiated between different Carcano models then they would have used two catalogue numbers but both the 36inch and the 40inch models had the exact same catalogue number.
Department 358 is not a specific department within Kleins but is merely a way of tracking where the ads are coming from, Kleins received Oswald's order and gave him the C20-T550 rifle that they had in stock, it's not rocket science!

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

If Kleins themselves differentiated between different Carcano models then they would have used two catalogue numbers but both the 36inch and the 40inch models had the exact same catalogue number.
Department 358 is not a specific department within Kleins but is merely a way of tracking where the ads are coming from, Kleins received Oswald's order and gave him the C20-T550 rifles that they had in stock, it's not rocket science!

JohnM

If Kleins themselves differentiated between different Carcano models then they would have used two catalogue numbers

Pure speculation, you have no clue what Klein's would or would not have done.

but both the 36inch and the 40inch models had the exact same catalogue number.

That may be the case, but the coupons from the February and April issues of A.R.M. had different department numbers, which is how they differentiated!

Department 358 is not a specific department within Kleins but is merely a way of tracking where the ads are coming from

Exactly, that's how Waldman knew it came from the February issue of A.R.M..... and that's how they knew which rifle they needed to send.

Kleins received Oswald's order and gave him the C20-T550 rifles that they had in stock, it's not rocket science!

Indeed... it's not rocket science, it's idiotic. You don't send a 40" rifle, which was not even advertised yet, to a client who ordered a 36".

[John Iacoletti]

No, in my first or second response to your I showed the following graphic. But what you keep leaving out is that Oswald didn't order his rifle in February.

What you keep leaving out is that the alleged Klein’s order wasn’t made in April either.

The proof that Oswald received the rifle is that he ordered the rifle, he was photographed with the rifle, he left his prints on the rifle, the rifle was found with Oswald's prints and Oswald was identified on the 6th floor holding a rifle.

lololololol

[John Iacoletti]

The facts and evidence in this case have been well established for many decades and the fact that you are still trying to argue otherwise 55 years later just proves my point. Thanks for your participation.

Claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Thanks for your participation.

[John Iacoletti]

The April advertisment had not even been published at that time, so why is Klein's sending a 40" rifle to a client who ordered a 36" rifle?

Also, Klein’s was still advertising a 36” rifle as late as November, 1963 in Field and Stream.

[John Mytton]

If Kleins themselves differentiated between different Carcano models then they would have used two catalogue numbers but both the 36inch and the 40inch models had the exact same catalogue number.
Department 358 is not a specific department within Kleins but is merely a way of tracking where the ads are coming from, Kleins received Oswald's order and gave him the C20-T550 rifles that they had in stock, it's not rocket science!

JohnM

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JohnM
Weidmann
JohnM

If Kleins themselves differentiated between different Carcano models then they would have used two catalogue numbers

Pure speculation, you have no clue what Klein's would or would not have done.

We know exactly what they did because they advertised the same catalogue number for two rifles.

but both the 36inch and the 40inch models had the exact same catalogue number.

That may be the case, but the coupons from the February and April issues of A.R.M. had different department numbers, which is how they differentiated!

Every Kleins ad in every magazine had a different Dept number which would be a logistical nightmare to cross reference every order with every Dept number and then that is multiplied by all the different products and their slight differences in each ad. That makes absolutely no sense, the catalogue number is what they use to find items in the factory, if Kleins gave a stuff about a "5.5 pound" rifle they would have given a different catalogue number for the 36 inch model and the 40 inch model but they just lumped them together in the same group.

Department 358 is not a specific department within Kleins but is merely a way of tracking where the ads are coming from

Exactly, that's how Waldman knew it came from the February issue of A.R.M.....

Yes.

and that's how they knew which rifle they needed to send.

No, adding an unnecessary step in the order process is a waste of time, the catalogue number defines the item.

Kleins received Oswald's order and gave him the C20-T550 rifles that they had in stock, it's not rocket science!

Indeed... it's not rocket science, it's idiotic. You don't send a 40" rifle, which was not even advertised yet, to a client who ordered a 36".

As I said above if Kleins gave a stuff about a 13 dollar second hand war surplus rifle then they would have given both models different catalogue numbers but they didn't, there is nothing to argue, you can say what you believe that should have done but it was their business and they conducted it their way, sorry but that's business.
And btw why would anybody complain about receiving more rifle for the same price?, only a desperate CT.