The shot sequence, bang......bang......bang?

[Joe Elliott]

This brings me to Robert Croft. Croft's famous photo was taken at Z-160. He never said anything to indicate this photo was taken after the first shot. He made a point, however, of stating that his fourth and final photo (which didn't come out) was taken simultaneously with the fatal shot. This suggests, then, that he would have said something if his third photo was taken less than a half second after the first shot. And yet he said nothing. Near him, moreover, were two other photographers, Betzner and Willis. Betzner's photo was taken at Z-186. He said the first shot came just after. And Willis' photo was taken at Z-202. He said the first shot led him to click the camera. This is one of the many reasons some believe the first shot was fired circa Z-190.

Which brings me to Ike Altgens.

It?s funny. Whenever CTers wish to establish support for a later first shot, they site Hugh Betzner, or Philip Willis, or both, but never Ike Altgens.



Hugh Betzner took a photograph at z186, which he said was taken just before the first shot.

Phillip Willis took a photograph at z303, which he said was taken just after the first shot.

Taken together, Betzner?s and Willis?s memories mean a shot between z186 and z202.

However, Ike Altgens took a photograph at z255, which he said was taken just a fraction after the first shot. By which I believe he meant, a fraction of a second after the first shot, and not a fraction of a minute or a fraction of a fortnight.



Quote from Mr. Altgens of part of his testimony to the Warren Commission:

I made one picture at the time I heard a noise that sounded like a firecracker--I did not know it was a shot, but evidently my picture, as I recall, and it was almost simultaneously with the shot--the shot was just a fraction ahead of my picture, but that much---of course at that time I figured it was nothing more than a firecracker, because from my position down here the sound was not of such volume that it would indicate to me it was a high-velocity rifle.



Taken all three witnesses together, this means the first shot must have occurred:

** after frame 186

** and before frame 202

** and after frame 236

Clearly at least one of the witnesses has to be wrong. Perhaps all three witnesses are wrong.



What I believe the testimony of these three witnesses most strongly support is not when the first shot occurred, but the strong desire for the photographers to believe that their photograph was taken at a historically significant moment, if not at the time the President was struck in the head than as close as possible to the very moment the first shot was fired.

[Ray Mitcham]

The evidence is conflicting all round as we all know. What we must do at some point is decide which is reliable. Is the Z film accurate? If so who's testimonies can be corroborated by the film and testimony of others.

You're starting  to understand, John.

[Walt Cakebread]

You're starting  to understand, John.

There are some honest researchers who have done magnificent jobs of exposing some aspect of the case...but instead of accepting the hard work of those individuals many CT's refuse to open their eyes and accept the information provided because it clashes with some pet theory.  Far too many CT's would rather play "who done it" than face the facts....

[John Anderson]

You're starting  to understand, John.

I've always understood.

[Walt Cakebread]

I've always understood.

You're a genius, and an exceptional individual......

[John Anderson]

Thanks.

[Joe Elliott]

The evidence is conflicting all round as we all know. What we must do at some point is decide which is reliable. Is the Z film accurate?

The Zapruder film is accurate. It would be wildly difficult to fake it and all the other films.

Can you imagine the follow conversation of the conspirators:



Mr. Evil:  We need to place the shooters behind the limousine, to best simulate a shot from the patsy.

Mr. Minion: No, we need triangulation of fire. Instead, we could have a shooter on the Grassy Knoll. And them simply modify the Zapruder film to move the two ladies off of the street while keeping in the President falling backwards.

Mr. Evil: What about the other films.

Mr. Minion: We can simply modify those as well.

Mr. Evil: But we would have to be careful that the films don?t conflict with each other.

Mr. Minion: Yes, we will just have to be careful.

Mr. Evil: How much time to we have to do all this?

Mr. Minion: Well, have to modify them before anyone can show this to the public. Plus, we want to publish at least a few frames within a couple of weeks. So, we need to get it all done within a few days.

Mr. Evil: But what about the films we don?t know about?

Mr. Minion: Well, we need to keep a close eye on the crowd and hope we don?t miss anyone.

Mr. Evil: What about an amateur photographer who develops his own picture?

Mr. Minion: Well, we just have to hope there won?t be anyone like that.

Mr. Evil: It sounds like we should just place all the shooters firing from behind.

Mr. Minion: Oh no, we need triangulation of fire

Mr. Evil: Is this usually done when the target is a single man and not a battalion?

Mr. Minion: No.

Mr. Evil: Well then, why do we need it?

Mr. Minion: Because the target might duck down. If this happens we need a shooter firing from a different direction. We need triangulation of fire.

Mr. Evil: Well, if he ducks, he wouldn?t be visible from the grassy knoll either, would he.

Mr. Minion: I guess not. But I don?t care. We need triangulation of fire.

Mr. Evil: Very well. Make it so.

If so who's testimonies can be corroborated by the film and testimony of others.

I think Governor Connally?s testimony is the most reliable. Because we can see what he is doing. He says he heard a first shot and turned to his right. We can see this starting in the z160?s.

In contrast, most/all of the witnesses not riding in vehicles don?t seem aware of any shots are being fired until the head shot at z312. They are clapping their hands and not reacting right up until that time.