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The shot sequence, bang......bang......bang?
Jack Nessan:
--- Quote from: John Anderson on January 24, 2018, 01:08:28 PM ---Just visit youtube to see how fast a Carcano can be fired.
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The FBI determined the cycle time of LHO?s carcano to be 2.3 seconds. All carcano?s are not the same. They were repaired using mismatched parts for the sole reason of being functional not a finely tuned hunting rifle. The rifles were properly head spaced and the bolt repaired to eject and nothing more. People on youtube should stop embarrassing themselves. As an example, the tests supposedly performed during the HSCA investigation used a substitute rifle and determine the cycle time to be 1.6 seconds. An improperly matched bolt and receiver causes the bolt to bind up upon firing due to the expansion of the receiver and bolt from the heat. LHO?s rifle would be unique unto itself as to how well it functioned.
John Anderson:
Oswalds Carcano functioned just fine.
Gary Craig:
--- Quote from: John Mytton on January 09, 2018, 12:27:45 AM ---
After reading some posts by CTs, like this example "Not merely a "large number."..... The vast majority of the witnesses reported that the last two shots were nearly simultaneous...... That's impossible with a bolt action rifle...." so I did a quick collation of a number of witnesses who said the shots were roughly about evenly spaced or the spaces between were longer than virtually instantaneous. Btw some witnesses guessed that the length of time was greater between shots 2 and 3 than 1 and 2 but a lot of these witnesses didn't specify a specific length so cannot be counted by either side.
Mr. BELIN - Do you have any time estimate as to the spacing of any of these shots?
Mr. BAKER - It seemed to me like they just went bang, bang, bang; they were pretty well even to me.
BREHM said that a third shot followed and that all three shots were relatively close together. BREHM stated that he was in military service and he has had experience with bolt-action rifles, and he expressed the opinion that the three shots were fired just about as quickly as an individual can maneuver a bolt-action rifle, take aim, and fire three shots.
Mr. CABELL - Well, I would put it this way. That approximately 10 seconds elapsed between the first and second shots, with not more than 5 seconds having elapsed until the third one.
Mr. SPECTER. What is your best estimate on the time that passed from the first to the last shot?
Mrs. CONNALLY. Very short. It seemed to me that there was less time between the first and the second than between the second and the third.
Mr. BELIN - And what's your best recollection now as to the amount of time between shots?
Mr. COUCH - Well, I would say the longest time would be 5 seconds, but it could be from 3 to 5.
Mr. BELIN - And would this be true between the first and the second shots as well as between the second and the third - or would there have been a difference?
Mr. COUCH - As I recall, the time sequence between the three were relatively the same.
Mr. BELIN - The shots seemed to be how far apart?
Mr. FISCHER - That's hard to say. I've been thinking about that. And--uh--I'd guess--3 to 4 seconds.
Mr. BELIN - Was that between the first and the second or between the second and the third?
Mr. FISCHER - Between both. As far as I can remember, the shots were evenly paced.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did the shots seem evenly spaced or were some of them closer together?
Mr. HUDSON - They seemed pretty well evenly spaced.
Mr. BELIN. How close did the shots sound like they came together?
Mr. ROMACK. Oh, they happened pretty fast. I would say maybe 3 or 4 seconds apart.
Mr. BELIN. Were they equally spaced, or did one sound like it was closer than another one in time?
Mr. ROMACK. It sounded like to me that they were evenly spaced. They rang out pretty fast.
Mr. SPECTER - Do you recall whether or not the statement is accurate in that you told the police officials at that time that there was a time span of 8 seconds between the first and second shots and a time span of 3 seconds between the second and third shots?
Mr. ROWLAND - I think I did tell them that, yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. I see. Did you tell them that you heard the bolt action of the rifle?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And that you heard the expended cartridges fall to the floor?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes; I heard them making a sound.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/wit.htm
JERRY HAYNES from WFAATV who was there with JAY. @17:37
....we heard one shot then a second or two later we heard another shot and then another second or two later the third shot.
JAY WATSON from WFAATV who ran straight back to the studio gave this account @27:28
I can best explain it in my own words, we were a hundred yards....yada yada yada
Jerry Haynes and I were standing there and we heard one shot and immediately thereafter heard another shot and then a third little bit later.
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JohnM
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John Iacoletti:
--- Quote from: Joe Elliott on January 24, 2018, 02:25:02 AM ---But we do have a time machine, of sorts. It is the Zapruder film. We can observe it over and over again. We can see the movements of Rosemary Willis, Connally and JFK.
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Agreed (assuming the film is authentic). But it's your interpretation of their movements that is subjective and biased.
Gary Craig:
--- Quote from: Jerry Organ on January 24, 2018, 09:13:27 PM ---Good post.
And if a witness has a false memory, it can appear as real and vivid in his mind as an actual memory. Memories are mental reconstructions that can be honesty skewered by impressions, biases, perceptions, distractions, etc.
People may best remember salient items ("I saw the President and Jackie") but be weak--though "real" in their minds--on secondary events ("the limousine stopped"). Problem could be that in an investigation, the salient facts ("the President and Jackie travel on Elm in Dallas") are established easily while the secondary events (the ones more likely to be mis-recalled) take on a new importance.
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"Memories are mental reconstructions that can be honesty skewered by impressions, biases, perceptions, distractions, etc."
Like the DA or Chief of Police on local media claiming the case is cinched and Oswald is guilty etc.
Many changed their minds of where the shots came from.
Seems their memories got better the farther away from the event they got.
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