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Yale Skull & Bones Society Provides the Root of Evil Behind JFK Assassination
Lee Wotton:
Look at Clark Clifford's sordid career after 1963! Including Chairman of BCCI.
Raymond Rocca in the first CIA Garrison Group Meeting stated that he thought Garrison would get a conviction against Shaw. They decided they should inform certain people of the seriousness of the situation. Obviously the first name they quoted was the Director. Next was Hoover and then Clark Clifford, Yale Skull and Bones!!
Tom Scully:
--- Quote from: Lee Wotton on January 10, 2018, 08:04:08 AM ---Look at Clark Clifford's sordid career after 1963! Including Chairman of BCCI.
Raymond Rocca in the first CIA Garrison Group Meeting stated that he thought Garrison would get a conviction against Shaw. They decided they should inform certain people of the seriousness of the situation. Obviously the first name they quoted was the Director. Next was Hoover and then Clark Clifford, Yale Skull and Bones!!
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Clark Clifford did not attend Yale and was not Skull and Bones.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clark_Clifford
Friends in High Places: The Rise and Fall of Clark Clifford - Page 15
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0316291625
I do find it curious that the man married to Clifford's aunt Marguerite Bowman McAdams in late
1964 was a close friend of Priscilla's first cousin, David C Davenport, CIA, and performed as driver
and bodyguard of Priscilla and Marina.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=60397&relPageId=146 and http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=60313&relPageId=49
20 October, 2001
Without Reservations: From Harlem to the End of the Santa Fe Trail
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0943734363
2-1/2 years later, Clark Cilfford's first cousin JoAnne McAdams
filed a lawsuit against that man, her stepfather Jerome Jerre Hastings Hasty, his friend David Davenport,
and several doctors for involuntarily committing her to the State of New Mexico mental hospital.
No one reacts to those facts because they do not know what to make of them despite the uncontested
facts that support all of that as true!
Caprio and company must read it in a 40 year old book to embrace it unconditionally.
--- Quote ---Las Vegas Optic from Las Vegas, New Mexico on July 31, 1967 ? Page 1
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/35602601/
Miss Me Adams, who is not represented by an attorney in the suit relates in the complaint that she had come to Santa Fe to visit her mother, Mrs. Marguerite McAdams Hasty, and her mother's husband, Jerome Hasty, and David Davenport, a friend of Hasty, induced her to consult Dr. Roscnbaum. As a result, she claims, the ...
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/author-85-knew-jfk-killer-oswald-article-1.1525293
Marina Oswald (left), widow of Lee Harvey Oswald, with friend Jerre Hastings (center) and Priscilla Johnson McMillan. McMillan befriended Oswald after the assassination of JFK. (JOSH REYNOLDS/JOSH REYNOLDS PHOTO)
1954 Obit:
--- Quote ---http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/449857/
Alton Evening Telegraph ? 21 December 1950 ? Page 18
....Miss Margaret Clifford Weds in Chevy Chuse The marriage of Lt. William
Henry Lanagan, jr., United States Marine Corps, and Miss Margaret
Pepperell Clifford, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Clark, McAdams Clifford, were
married Wednesday at 4 o'clock in All Saints Episcopal Church, Chevy
Chase, Md. A reception was held at the recently acquired estate of the
Cliffords, 8551 Rockville Pike, Bethesda, Md., after the wedding. Guests
included the bride's paternal grandmother, Mrs. Frank A. Clifford of St.
Louis, and uncle, William D. McAdams of New York.
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--- Quote ---Chicago Tribune - Aug 16, 1954
RIES William Douglas McAdims Services for William Doug- las McAdams, 67, of 734 Lin- coln av., Wlnnetka, who died Saturday in his home, will be held at 10 am Wednesday in the Congregational churc4, Winnetka. He had been a Winnetka resident for forty years and also maintained a home ..Mr. McAdams leaves his wife, Marguerite Bowman McAdams; a son, William D. ... three daughters, Joan A. McAdams, Mrs. IVarilyn Barton and Mrs. Marguerite Borregaard.....
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1940 U.S. Census snippet of a household in New Trier (Winnetka)Illinois:
On April 26, 1940, Jerome A Hastings was a 29 year old man who was born in Wisconsin and was employed as a buyer at a country club. His education level was C2, two years of college. Hastings' annual income was just over $300. In 1935 his residence was in Flemington, NJ.
On May 18, Jerome Hasty was a 29 year old man who was born in Wisconsin and was employed as a officer at a country club. His education level was C1, one year of college. Hasty's annual income was just over $600. In 1935 his residence was in Carmel-by-the-Sea, CAL.
26 years later, Jerome Allen Hasty files a notice of legal change of name from Hasty to Hastings:
Lee Wotton:
--- Quote from: Tom Scully on January 09, 2018, 11:53:18 AM ---BTW, the mystery of the origin of the Bones tomb was finally cleared up this past year by a classmate and fellow S&B of
GW Bush, the most talkative member of that secret society I have come across.:
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&hl=en&q=atwater+treat+"skull+and+bones"
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Very interesting Tom thank you. You are correct about my error with Clark Clifford and Skull and Bones. However, I believe he was very close to McGeorge Bundy and Dean Acheson. The interesting thing with Clifford is that he was named as one of the first people to brief after the CIA Garrison Meeting No. 1 which included Hoover and the CIA Director.
We all now that mental institutions were used by the CIA to take people out of circulation too!!!
Do you have any views on Ochsner?
Tom Scully:
--- Quote from: Lee Wotton on January 10, 2018, 10:47:29 AM ---Very interesting Tom thank you. You are correct about my error with Clark Clifford and Skull and Bones. However, I believe he was very close to McGeorge Bundy and Dean Acheson. The interesting thing with Clifford is that he was named as one of the first people to brief after the CIA Garrison Meeting No. 1 which included Hoover and the CIA Director.
We all now that mental institutions were used by the CIA to take people out of circulation too!!!
Do you have any views on Ochsner?
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--- Quote ---http://www.nytimes.com/1998/10/11/us/clark-clifford-a-major-adviser-to-four-presidents-is-dead-at-91.html
Clark Clifford, a Major Adviser To Four Presidents, Is Dead at 91
By MARILYN BERGEROCT. 11, 1998
...President Johnson was hardly in office 24 hours when he called for Mr. Clifford. Faced with the sudden and enormous task of running the country after Kennedy's assassination, Johnson talked with Mr. Clifford for two hours, then three, then four. It was late in the evening, Mr. Clifford remembered, when Lady Bird Johnson entered the Oval Office and reminded her husband, ''Just because you're President now doesn't mean you don't have to eat dinner.''
Mr. Clifford's warm relationship with Johnson became strained and almost broke over Vietnam in 1967, when Johnson asked him to be Secretary of Defense. Mr. Clifford's first assignment was to determine how to meet Gen. William C. Westmoreland's request for 206,000 more American troops in Vietnam.....
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I am not comfortable speculating, as far as Ochsner or anything NOLA related. My research supports my presumption Garrison was not about uncovering and
presenting the truth. He complained about this guy, WDSU counsel Stephen Lemann in his June, 1967 letter to the FCC commissioner but he did not name
Lemann in that letter, or ever, or his nephew, Nicholas B Lemann.:
--- Quote ---http://maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?%E2%80%A6d=176&tab=page
2of2 Garrison 06/18/67 letter to FCC comm. Rosel H. Hyde
(Top of right side column)
?It should be added that the last described endeavor has been accomplished not by members of the station (WDSU) itself, but by an attorney closely connected with the station who has previously been known to disperse funds in the New Orleans area in behalf of the Central Intelligence Agency?
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Stephen Lemann hired this guy who just happened to be Sylvia Odio's former Dallas Catholic priest, father Machann!
--- Quote ---The Rise and Fall of Big Jim G. | News | The Harvard Crimson
http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1974/2/6/the-rise-and-fall-of-big/
Feb 6, 1974 - By Nicholas Lemann, February 6, 1974 ... Only a very few Southern politicians have been able to put together this mythical coalition, but Jim Garrison, the six-and-a-half foot tall New Orleans district attorney who lost his third reelection campaign in December, remained politically powerful in New Orleans for ...
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--- Quote ---Russo v. Conde Nast Publications, 806 F. Supp. 603 (E.D. La. 1992 ...
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp/806/603/1747985/
Russo v. Conde Nast Publications, 806 F. Supp. 603 (E.D. La. 1992) case opinion from the US District Court for the Eastern District of Louisiana. ... The GQ article was a personal memoir of Lemann's recollections of growing up in New Orleans during District Attorney Jim Garrison's prosecution of Clay Shaw for allegedly ...
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--- Quote ---Nicholas Lemann ? Charlie Rose
https://charlierose.com/guests/1395
Entertainment, HistoryAir Date 12/30/1991. Nicholas Lemann, David Denby, and Zachary Sklar debate historical fact versus theory in Oliver Stone's "JFK." 'JFK,' Pt. 3. Entertainment, HistoryAir Date 12/30/1991. In the final segment of a three-part conversation, Lemann, Denby, and Sklar continue their debate about "JFK.".
JFK: The Book of the Film : the Documented Screenplay - Page 345
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1557831270
Oliver Stone, Zachary Sklar - 1992 - Preview - More editions
There is plenty that is wrong with American society, and Oliver Stone is one of the few directors with the clout and the interest in politics to be able to address it in mainstream films. Instead of going after a real problem, ... April 1992 GQ FOR THE DEFENSE Zachary Sklar Editor's note: Nicholas Lemann's essay "The Case Against Jim Garrison" [January] inspired more letters than any article we have published in recent years, almost all of them critical of Lemann 's argument. The most ...
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This lady was CIA covert agent David Baldwin's wife's mother. She was also step-mother of Stephen Lemann and step-grandmother of his nephew, Nicholas Lemann.:
(She spent her summers as a guest of the Sterns of WDSU at their estate in New York, even before she married Monte Lemann in 1946.)
--- Quote ---Judith Shulevitz, Nicholas Lemann - The New York Times
www.nytimes.com/1999/11/07/style/judith-shulevitz-nicholas-lemann.html
Nov 7, 1999 - Until this year, the bridegroom was the national correspondent for The Atlantic Monthly. He graduated from Harvard and is the author of ''The Big Test: The Secret History of the American Meritocracy'' (Farrar, Straus & Giroux, 1999). He is the son of Thomas B. Lemann of New Orleans and the late Barbara ...
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--- Quote ---Nicholas Lemann - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Lemann
Nicholas Berthelot Lemann is the Joseph Pulitzer II and Edith Pulitzer Moore Professor of Journalism and Dean Emeritus of the Faculty of Journalism at the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism. He has been a staff writer at The New Yorker since 1999.
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The facts in NOLA do not mesh with what you, the authors, or anyone else who weighs in on what they think happened.:
--- Quote ---http://jfkfacts.org/comment-week-21-9/#comment-883071
Tom S. June 21, 2016 at 8:28 pm
Link to prior Cotw ? http://jfkfacts.org/22675-2/
https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Unredacted_-_Episode_1_-_Transcript.html
Unredacted Episode 1: Transcript of Interview with Joan Mellen
This interview was conducted on 22 Feb 2006. ?. and the interview was conducted by Rex Bradford.
??..
JOAN: ? when Baldwin was present, he was a CIA asset, his brother worked for the International Trade Mart and Clay Shaw, David Baldwin, and these, these are CIA people.??
http://maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?%E2%80%A6d=176&tab=page
2of2 Garrison 06/18/67 letter to FCC comm. Rosel H. Hyde
(Top of right side column)
?It should be added that the last described endeavor has been accomplished not by members of the station (WDSU) itself, but by an attorney closely connected with the station who has previously been known to disperse funds in the New Orleans area in behalf of the Central Intelligence Agency?
http://jfkfacts.org/rob-tannenbaums-spellbinding-presentation-hscas-thwarted-jfk-investigation/#comment-882661
John McAdams ? June 18, 2016 at 10:42 am
Fonzi is not reliable.
??..
He also claimed that the CIA had penetrated the Garrison investigation with multiple agents. But he had no evidence of that, and the evidence is clearly that the CIA did not.
This ?Comment of the week,? is an experiment. Doubt is creeping in that it is even possible for a facts influenced discussion to develop, a discussion in which side driven sentiment is overwhelmed by what no participant in the discussion particularly relishes, what the facts actually are telling us if we choose to consider them.
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--- Quote ---http://jfkfacts.org/comment-week-21-9/#comment-883125
Tom S. June 22, 2016 at 12:41 am
Dr. McAdams, both Garrison and Shaw were aware of what you do not want to discuss. Instead you declare Gaeton Fonzi was wrong.
Fonzi was mistaken, but not to the extent you are. You claim the CIA had no role. Yes, the details indicate the CIA did not infiltrate
Garrison?s investigation and prosecution, the actual details indicate Garrison and Shaw were wisps of a CIA smokescreen.:
http://jfkfacts.org/hardway-declaration-cia-stonewalled-jfk-investigation/#comment-880760
http://jfkfacts.org/hardway-declaration-cia-stonewalled-jfk-investigation/#comment-880767
I consider what I would have to minimize or ignore to write what Gerry did about Garrison, or your response to Ronnie,
(see ? http://jfkfacts.org/rob-tannenbaums-spellbinding-presentation-hscas-thwarted-jfk-investigation/#comment-882661 )
and I cannot relate to either of your scenarios because they are incompatible with what I?ve presented. I restrict myself to opinions supported by the details. The details and the behavior of Garrison and Shaw indicate they were similarly restricted, they kept identical secrets, despite this friendly advice.:
Who had the influence to put both of them on short leashes for the rest of their lives, to bring them both to heel?
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Lee Wotton:
--- Quote from: Tom Scully on January 10, 2018, 11:35:24 AM ---I am not comfortable speculating, as far as Ochsner or anything NOLA related. My research supports my presumption Garrison was not about uncovering and
presenting the truth. He complained about this guy, WDSU counsel Stephen Lemann in his June, 1967 letter to the FCC commissioner but he did not name
Lemann in that letter, or ever, or his nephew, Nicholas B Lemann.:
Stephen Lemann hired this guy who just happened to be Sylvia Odio's former Dallas Catholic priest, father Machann!
This lady was CIA covert agent David Baldwin's wife's mother. She was also step-mother of Stephen Lemann and step-grandmother of his nephew, Nicholas Lemann.:
(She spent her summers as a guest of the Sterns of WDSU at their estate in New York, even before she married Monte Lemann in 1946.)
The facts in NOLA do not mesh with what you, the authors, or anyone else who weighs in on what they think happened.:
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Tom, thank you for the information. Do you mind me asking what your general thoughts are on the JFK assassination and what authors / sources you consider most reliable and trust worthy?
Also am I correct in thinking Henry Luce was the owner o Time Life at the time it purchased the Zapruder film?
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