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Accounting of bullets, ballistics

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James Dahl:
The sniper nest on the 6th floor of the book depository had three spent shell casings and three bullets were fired from the Carcano rifle.

Witnesses state that just after Kennedy's limousine turned onto Elm Street there was a shot, but it missed the car and struck the pavement instead.  Various theories as to why the shot (that would have been the best possible shot opportunity) missed the car have been proposed.  One is that tracking Kennedy with the sniper scope, the shooter fired but the shot had become obstructed by the traffic signal, which deflected the bullet angle slightly and left a hole in the traffic signal.

The second shot, moments later, struck Kennedy in the neck, travelled through to Connally, and ended up lodged in his thigh where it remains in his body today.

The third shot also missed and struck the car, where it got stuck and was later recovered with slight compression deformations, and placed for unknown reasons on the stretcher in Parkland hospital.

All three shots from the Carcano Rifle have been therefore accounted for, and none of them are the shot that killed Kennedy.

There was a fourth shot, either before or after the third Carcano bullet was fired.  This bullet was different, it was an expanding bullet, not a full metal jacketed bullet like the Carcano, as it left a conical expanding wound and blew out Kennedy's skull.  This shot also came from a different firing angle.  Several theories have been proposed as to the origin of this bullet.

The first "Mortal Error" theory, posited by Howard Donahue, is that in the confusion of the shooting, the Secret Service car accidentally shot Kennedy with a hollow point bullet from an AR-15 rifle.

The laser ballistic analysis in 1998 posited a different theory that the fourth shot could have come from the 2nd floor of the Dal-Tex building.

Elsie Dorman thought shots came from the Court Records Building on Houston St.

Comparison of the wound to Kennedy, the head shot came from a lower angle than the 6th floor of the Book Depository (which is why Donahue concluded it was accidental from the secret service car) and from a slightly different angle, again indicating the secret service car, but due to the position of the secret service in the follow car, any shot from the follow car would have damaged the secret service car, especially as the guy with the AR-15 was seated at the time.

The lower and more southerly angle could indicate either the Dal-Tex 2nd floor, or Elsie Dorman's recollection of the Court Records building, perhaps one of the lower floors.

Matt Grantham:
 The only part I am going to respond to is that Tague said he heard a shot before the shot that hit him So if we are to give his report ant credence there were at least two shots that missed

James Dahl:

--- Quote from: Matt Grantham on April 06, 2018, 07:58:54 PM --- The only part I am going to respond to is that Tague said he heard a shot before the shot that hit him So if we are to give his report ant credence there were at least two shots that missed

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Tague was wounded slightly by concrete chips from the first shot.  He heard the first shot, the first shot hit the concrete pavement, and bits of pavement struck him in the face.  Tague was not struck by bullets or bullet fragments, but by a bit of concrete.

Royell Storing:

--- Quote from: James Dahl on April 06, 2018, 08:19:59 PM ---Yeah bullets are supersonic, but bits of concrete aren't, so it is theoretically possible that he heard the shot before the concrete hit him in the face

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       We also need to consider if: (1) shots hit the curb/man hole cover on the South side of Elm St, and (2) the curbing close to where Teague was standing. The section of curb that was removed/jack hammered for alleged testing was Not on Elm St.

James Dahl:
How far can concrete shot by a bullet spray out with enough force to wound somebody?  Has anybody looked into that?  How far away could Teague be from the first bullet impact?

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