Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?

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Offline Gary Craig

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #84 on: December 06, 2019, 09:35:08 PM »
Sorry but it was done. Beyond any reasonable doubt. The two large bullet fragments found in the limo, the bullet found on Connally's stretcher at Parkland, and the three empty shell casings found in the sniper's nest were matched to the rifle found in the sixth floor. Anyone who has viewed the evidence and denies that it happened is simply not reasonable. They cannot be reasoned with.

Wesley J. Liebeler, one of the Warren Commission’s senior attorneys, critiqued their analysis of Ozzie's rifle capabilities.
Number .17 on the list sums up his conclusion. A classic case of circular logic.






Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #85 on: December 06, 2019, 09:40:49 PM »
Wesley J. Liebeler, one of the Warren Commission’s senior attorneys, critiqued their analysis of Ozzie's rifle capabilities.
Number .17 on the list sums up his conclusion. A classic case of circular logic.







"The conclusion indicates that Oswald had the capability to fire three shots with two hits from 4.8 to 5.6 seconds."  Thumb1:

If he was capable of firing three shots with two hits in 4.8 seconds, then three shots with two hits in 8.6 seconds was a piece of cake for him.  :)

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #86 on: December 06, 2019, 09:47:24 PM »
The two large bullet fragments found in the limo,

J. Edna Hoover  told Lyin Bastroid Johnson that the fragments were worthless for determining  if they had been fired from a particular rifle.

the bullet found on Connally's stretcher at Parkland,

Nobody knows where that "Magic Bullet" was found   ....  It was never verified on which stretcher the bullet was found.

the three empty shell casings found in the sniper's nest were matched to the rifle found in the sixth floor.

BFD!....  When??   I ask...Can you PROVE when the cartridges were fired in the rifle?   We know that it could not have been that day because the bore was dirty and rusty....


"J. Edna Hoover  told Lyin Bastroid Johnson that the fragments were worthless for determining  if they had been fired from a particular rifle."

What he said to LBJ.

11/23/63
J. Edgar Hoover: I just wanted to let you know of a development which I think is very important in connection with this case -
this man in Dallas (Lee Harvey Oswald). We, of course, charged him with the murder of the President. The evidence that they
have at the present time is not very, very strong.
We have just discovered the place where the gun was purchased and the shipment
of the gun from Chicago to Dallas, to a post office box in Dallas, to a man - no, to a woman by the name of "A. Hidell."... We
had it flown up last night, and our laboratory here is making an examination of it.

Lyndon B. Johnson: Yes, I told the Secret Service to see that that got taken care of.

J. Edgar Hoover: That's right. We have the gun and we have the bullet. There was only one full bullet that was found. That was on
the stretcher that the President was on. It apparently had fallen out when they massaged his heart, and we have that one. We have
what we call slivers, which are not very valuable in the identification.
As soon as we finish the testing of the gun for fingerprints
... we will then be able to test the one bullet we have with the gun. But the important thing is that this gun was bought in Chicago
on a money order. Cost twenty-one dollars, and it seems almost impossible to think that for twenty-one dollars you could kill the
President of the United States.

Lyndon B. Johnson: Now, who is A. Hidell?

J. Edgar Hoover: A. Hidell is an alias that this man has used on other occasions, and according to the information we have from the
house in which he was living - his mother - he kept a rifle like this wrapped up in a blanket which he kept in the house. On the
morning that this incident occurred down there - yesterday - the man who drove him to the building where they work, the building from
where the shots came, said that he had a package wrapped up in paper... But the important thing at the time is that the location of
the purchase of the gun by a money order apparently to the Klein Gun Company in Chicago - we were able to establish that last night.

Lyndon B. Johnson: Have you established any more about the visit to the Soviet embassy in Mexico in September?

J. Edgar Hoover: No, that's one angle that's very confusing, for this reason - we have up here the tape and the photograph of the man
who was at the Soviet embassy, using Oswald's name. That picture and the tape do not correspond to this man's voice, nor to his
appearance. In other words, it appears that there is a second person who was at the Soviet embassy down there. We do have a copy of a
letter which was written by Oswald to the Soviet embassy here in Washington, inquiring as well as complaining about the harassment of
his wife and the questioning of his wife by the FBI. Now, of course, that letter information - we process all mail that goes to the
Soviet embassy. It's a very secret operation. No mail is delivered to the embassy without being examined and opened by us, so that we
know what they receive... The case, as it stands now, isn't strong enough to be able to get a conviction... Now if we can identify this
man who was at the... Soviet embassy in Mexico City... This man Oswald has still denied everything. He doesn't know anything about anything,
but the gun thing, of course, is a definite trend.

Offline Jack Trojan

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #87 on: December 06, 2019, 10:09:59 PM »
11/23/63
J. Edgar Hoover: I just wanted to let you know of a development which I think is very important in connection with this case -
this man in Dallas (Lee Harvey Oswald). We, of course, charged him with the murder of the President. The evidence that they
have at the present time is not very, very strong.
We have just discovered the place where the gun was purchased and the shipment
of the gun from Chicago to Dallas, to a post office box in Dallas, to a man - no, to a woman by the name of "A. Hidell."... We
had it flown up last night, and our laboratory here is making an examination of it.

Lyndon B. Johnson: Yes, I told the Secret Service to see that that got taken care of.

J. Edgar Hoover: That's right. We have the gun and we have the bullet. There was only one full bullet that was found. That was on
the stretcher that the President was on. It apparently had fallen out when they massaged his heart, and we have that one. We have
what we call slivers, which are not very valuable in the identification.
As soon as we finish the testing of the gun for fingerprints
... we will then be able to test the one bullet we have with the gun. But the important thing is that this gun was bought in Chicago
on a money order. Cost twenty-one dollars, and it seems almost impossible to think that for twenty-one dollars you could kill the
President of the United States.

Lyndon B. Johnson: Now, who is A. Hidell?

J. Edgar Hoover: A. Hidell is an alias that this man has used on other occasions, and according to the information we have from the
house in which he was living - his mother - he kept a rifle like this wrapped up in a blanket which he kept in the house. On the
morning that this incident occurred down there - yesterday - the man who drove him to the building where they work, the building from
where the shots came, said that he had a package wrapped up in paper... But the important thing at the time is that the location of
the purchase of the gun by a money order apparently to the Klein Gun Company in Chicago - we were able to establish that last night.

Lyndon B. Johnson: Have you established any more about the visit to the Soviet embassy in Mexico in September?

J. Edgar Hoover: No, that's one angle that's very confusing, for this reason - we have up here the tape and the photograph of the man
who was at the Soviet embassy, using Oswald's name. That picture and the tape do not correspond to this man's voice, nor to his
appearance. In other words, it appears that there is a second person who was at the Soviet embassy down there. We do have a copy of a
letter which was written by Oswald to the Soviet embassy here in Washington, inquiring as well as complaining about the harassment of
his wife and the questioning of his wife by the FBI. Now, of course, that letter information - we process all mail that goes to the
Soviet embassy. It's a very secret operation. No mail is delivered to the embassy without being examined and opened by us, so that we
know what they receive... The case, as it stands now, isn't strong enough to be able to get a conviction... Now if we can identify this
man who was at the... Soviet embassy in Mexico City... This man Oswald has still denied everything. He doesn't know anything about anything,
but the gun thing, of course, is a definite trend.

Thanks for re-posting that transcript snippet Gary. I always thought of it as a smoking gun, myself. I found it incredible how much information Hoover knew about Oswald a mere 24 hours after he was apprehended at the theater. Also incredible was how the Keystone Cops DPD apprehended Oswald a mere 1 hour after he allegedly shot JFK. That is some serious bum's rush to judgement.

Offline Gary Craig

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #88 on: December 06, 2019, 10:20:39 PM »
"The conclusion indicates that Oswald had the capability to fire three shots with two hits from 4.8 to 5.6 seconds."  Thumb1:

If he was capable of firing three shots with two hits in 4.8 seconds, then three shots with two hits in 8.6 seconds was a piece of cake for him.  :)

Nicely done, though probably not your intent.

Cherry picking that sentence and claiming it proves Ozzie could fire the weapon that fast illustrates to anyone who reads 1 thru 17, and is lucid enough to understand it, the grasping at straw and denial required to support the WC.

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #89 on: December 06, 2019, 10:55:06 PM »
sorry I meant where the individual hit a moving target and an oak tree

Huh? What moving target did it hit?

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #90 on: December 06, 2019, 11:10:51 PM »
The limousine