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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #112 on: December 09, 2019, 05:02:49 PM »
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"Simmons was saying that CE139 was set up differently from what his shooters were used to, and his guys had to adjust to it. Even then, all of them were able to perform to the WC's 2-out-of-3 hits, and at least one was able to achieve 3 hits in less than 5.6 seconds.  Each design has it's idiosyncrasies, and any shooter used to one type is liable to face a learning curve if they pick up another and try to shoot it. The only thing you had right is that the scope sucked. Read Frazier's account of it -- it lost zero and they had to shoot several rounds out of it to get the reticle to stabilize itself enough so that it could be reliably zeroed. The problem for you is that the iron sights were perfectly usable, and a scope that bad would easily found out as a lemon by anyone who shot it."

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The problem for you is that the iron sights were perfectly usable, and a scope that bad would easily found out as a lemon by anyone who shot it."

"The problem for you is that the iron sights were perfectly usable,"

This is not as easy as one might think.....Most American shooters who were familiar with "V" notch sights, would automatically align the top of the front blade with the TOP of the "V" of the rear sight .....But the correct alignment for the Carcano is different....The correct sight picture for the Carcano has the top of the front blade at the BOTTOM of the "V" of the rear sight.    It should be readily apparent that any American shooter ( who was ignorant of the correct sight picture for the carcano  sights)  would  fire over the top of his target, and at any range of 25 yards or more would miss a 8 inch bulls eye completely......
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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
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Online Mitch Todd

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #113 on: January 10, 2020, 10:29:31 PM »
Before I forget....

The problem for you is that the iron sights were perfectly usable, and a scope that bad would easily found out as a lemon by anyone who shot it."

"The problem for you is that the iron sights were perfectly usable,"

This is not as easy as one might think.....Most American shooters who were familiar with "V" notch sights, would automatically align the top of the front blade with the TOP of the "V" of the rear sight .....But the correct alignment for the Carcano is different....The correct sight picture for the Carcano has the top of the front blade at the BOTTOM of the "V" of the rear sight.    It should be readily apparent that any American shooter ( who was ignorant of the correct sight picture for the carcano  sights)  would  fire over the top of his target, and at any range of 25 yards or more would miss a 8 inch bulls eye completely......

Assuming Oswald could not have known that. By the time Oswald got his, tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of Carcanos were in the US. You think no one had figured it out and got the word out?>

Anyway, not that long ago someone handed me a loaded Hudson H9. I pointed it at the target, and pulled the trigger....and hit really low. Tried again; also really low. The third shot was just as low as the other two. At first, I was thinking that I was anticipating, but the grouping was too way close for that to be the problem. I realized that the pistol had a an unorthodox sight picture and started experimenting. After about 12 shots, I found that the correct sight pic was to have the top of the blade bisect the front dot. It's not that hard to figure out.

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #114 on: January 12, 2020, 08:21:15 PM »
The testimony from Frazier clears up your "brief summation", btw, the evidence still exists and can be checked for verification by your expert.
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Then you will notice these do not line up. But as you rotate one bullet, you can follow the individual marks mentally and see that the same pattern is present and you can line them up in your mind, even though they are not actually physically lined up in the microscope.
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  Yeah, by lining up the marks in his mind
That seems to be exactly what he said ::)
Oh well...some schmoe that couldn't even get a drivers license winds up being a cracker jack sniper with absolutely no practice at all whatsoever using a POS tutti fruitti rifle that was falling apart.
Would someone like to buy the planet Saturn? I can get it for you half price :-\
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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #115 on: January 13, 2020, 11:31:56 AM »
Why bother, its easily done. 3 shots in 8 or 9 seconds or whatever, missed one.

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #116 on: January 13, 2020, 12:12:23 PM »
Why bother, its easily done. 3 shots in 8 or 9 seconds or whatever, missed one.
Very easily done...with a little imagination.

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #117 on: January 13, 2020, 03:12:14 PM »
Quote from: John Iacoletti on December 07, 2019, 12:08:24 AM
   That seems to be exactly what he said ::)
Oh well...some schmoe that couldn't even get a drivers license winds up being a cracker jack sniper with absolutely no practice at all whatsoever using a POS tutti fruitti rifle that was falling apart.

Warren Commission Derangement Syndrome. Sad. Close to six decades now.

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #118 on: January 13, 2020, 04:48:36 PM »
Warren Commission Derangement Syndrome. Sad. Close to six decades now.

It is indeed sad to see people regurgitating the WC narrative without thinking.

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #119 on: January 13, 2020, 06:15:37 PM »
It is indeed sad to see people regurgitating the WC narrative without thinking.

Most folks who regurgitate the nonsense of the WR must do so because to actually open their eyes would cause their entire fairy tale world to collapse.