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Online David Von Pein

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« Reply #220 on: October 03, 2019, 06:29:47 AM »
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There’s either evidence of this alleged COD payment or there is not.

There is. CTers, of course, will forever ignore it, but there is evidence that the COD balance of $19.95 was paid to Seaport. It's in Heinz Michaelis' WC testimony [You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login]....

JOE BALL -- "Is there anything in your files which shows that the Railway Express did remit to you the $19.95?"

HEINZ MICHAELIS -- "The fact that the exhibit number...was attached to the red copy of the invoice...indicates that the money was received."


Plus, the word "Paid" is written right on the Seaport invoice too (Michaelis Exhibit No. 2). But I guess CTers must think the word "PAID" means exactly the opposite and that Seaport never received the $19.95 balance at all, huh? ~shrug~

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #221 on: October 03, 2019, 06:34:17 AM »
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Pistol Talk....   
  "Oswald's P.O. Box was at the Main Post Office in the Federal Building, 1114 Commerce Street
BTW..that's not correct. The old MPO was at Bryan and North St Paul. The bldg is still called that on the map
 but was converted into luxury apartments.
 I know all about the old MPO because I worked there as a postal clerk. 

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« Reply #222 on: October 03, 2019, 03:36:55 PM »
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Plus, the word "Paid" is written right on the Seaport invoice too (Michaelis Exhibit No. 2). But I guess CTers must think the word "PAID" means exactly the opposite and that Seaport never received the $19.95 balance at all, huh? ~shrug~

The word “paid” is written in the blank that says “excise tax”, but regardless...

Anyone can write the word “paid” on a piece of paper during or after the fact. But if this was paid by Oswald or somebody else, It would have gone into a till and ultimately ended up in Railway Express account somewhere with a paper trail, along with a transfer of those funds back to Seaport Traders into their account somewhere with a paper trail. When and how did any of this happen if the transaction was legitimate?

It was bad enough that Klein’s trotted out a February deposit slip for an alleged March transaction, but Railway Express and Seaport Traders didn’t even have that.

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #223 on: October 03, 2019, 03:38:39 PM »
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BTW..that's not correct. The old MPO was at Bryan and North St Paul. The bldg is still called that on the map
 but was converted into luxury apartments.
 I know all about the old MPO because I worked there as a postal clerk.

Interesting, Jerry. When you worked there, what time on weekday mornings did you open up the clerk stations for selling money orders?

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« Reply #224 on: October 03, 2019, 08:01:14 PM »
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Interesting, Jerry. When you worked there, what time on weekday mornings did you open up the clerk stations for selling money orders?
I was a sorting clerk. The window clerks opened [as they do now] at 8 AM. The main Dallas Post Office was in the Federal Courthouse [Postal Inspector/FBI informant Harry Holmes office was also there for interest]
After reviewing his [DVP] links, I am still confused about the COD delivery of the Smith .38---
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[A] further charge that "no record exists to show that Hidell/Oswald ever took possession of [the rifle and pistol]." [21] The charge infers that there should be a record, when in fact, none was required. Robert C. Hendon, Vice President in Charge of Operations, Railway Express Agency (REA) did propose to the Dodd Committee a change in the law which would require a consignee to sign a delivery receipt which would be retained by the carrier. [22] But, at the time of the Oswald order, REA Express rules did not require such a signature.
So someone apparently showed up and presented the HIDELL cards like were allegedly found on Oswald...told someone he wanted his gun...handed over 19.95 and then left. The only "proof" that this is what happened is the ticket copy and that really isn't much at all. The accompanying testimony in the Warren Report is made by someone who wasn't there. This handwriting expert stuff is just laughable.
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Texas law states that one who wishes to purchase a pistol or handgun must first obtain from a justice of the peace, county judge, or district judge of the county of his residence a certificate of good character. [25] Although REA Express would withhold shipments to consignees who failed to display a license or permit in states requiring same, REA regulations do not specifically address whether a shipment would be withheld if a certificate of good character was not presented.
See the contradiction?
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The package was shipped C.O.D. to: A.J. Hidell, P.O. Box 2915, Dallas, Texas, with a balance of $19.95 due, plus C.O.D. charges. Two REA Express documents accompanied the shipment: (1) a description of the contents of the package [33], and (2) a C.O.D. document directing REA to remit the amount collected to Seaport Traders. [34]
This was certainly a roundabout way of a delivery...because it didn't matter what the Railway express rules and terms were...it was back on the USPO to ascertain a proper legal delivery. So Hidell signed nothing ...He didn't have to. There was no addressed ID?...He didn't need one...What happens to all these notification of delivery cards? Who cares? So the counter clerk just throws it away?...a violation BTW.





It still remains that even [hypothetically]  if the rifle and Smith were ordered on the same day...paid for [by different methods yet] on the same day... the odds of their arriving for pick-up on the same day are really quite remote. And apparently all at the same post office [where Harry Holmes worked]
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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #225 on: October 04, 2019, 01:05:50 AM »
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There is. CTers, of course, will forever ignore it, but there is evidence that the COD balance of $19.95 was paid to Seaport. It's in Heinz Michaelis' WC testimony [You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login]....

JOE BALL -- "Is there anything in your files which shows that the Railway Express did remit to you the $19.95?"

HEINZ MICHAELIS -- "The fact that the exhibit number...was attached to the red copy of the invoice...indicates that the money was received."


Plus, the word "Paid" is written right on the Seaport invoice too (Michaelis Exhibit No. 2). But I guess CTers must think the word "PAID" means exactly the opposite and that Seaport never received the $19.95 balance at all, huh? ~shrug~


Sorry, David, but this is an extremely weak argument.

All this really tells us is that Michaelis concludes from a red copy of the invoice being attached that payment was received. That's all!

It does not show in any way or form that Michaelis actually knew for sure the payment was recieved. One thing we do know for sure though is that no document has ever surfaced regarding a money transfer of $19.95 from Dallas to Seaport. On a matter, as important as this one and with all the investigative power of the FBI available, why do you, David, think that is so? Are you really going to tell us that investigators were unable to trace a simple transfer and thus needed to rely upon a conclusion made by a manager like Michaelis?
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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #226 on: October 04, 2019, 01:56:12 AM »
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Sorry, David, but this is a extremely weak argument....It does not show  that Michaelis actually knew for sure the payment was received. One thing we do know for sure is that no document has ever surfaced regarding a money transfer of $19.95 from Dallas to Seaport. 
Even if there was...there is no record [that I can find] verifying from whom the payment was received--- making for an even more feeble argument.

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #227 on: October 04, 2019, 02:34:08 AM »
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The proof that Oswald picked up the revolver, regardless of where he picked it up, is the undeniable fact that Mr. Oswald had Revolver V510210 in his hands when he was arrested in the Texas Theater on 11/22/63.
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The Michaelis Exhibit #2 does show 510210 written in. That could have possibly been at any time an otherwise numberless document or copy of it was handled. Why wasn't it typed in with the rest of the info on the invoice? It looks illegitimate funny as hell. I wonder if the OSWALD DID IT crowd would be willing to stake their lives on the honesty and integrity of a 1963 Dallas Police Dept? I sure as hell wouldn't.



 

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« Reply #228 on: October 04, 2019, 03:37:10 AM »
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The Michaelis Exhibit #2 does show 510210 written in. .... Why wasn't it typed in with the rest of the info on the invoice?

Because that's (obviously) not the way it was done at mail-order outfits that sold firearms. The serial numbers are WRITTEN IN by hand once the company knows for sure which gun is going to actually be shipped to that particular customer. The exact same "Written In By Hand" serial number occurred on Waldman Exhibit No. 7 for Oswald's rifle too. The "C2766" isn't typed in; it's handwritten. It's just the way those type of transactions work. (Or do you think the "C2766" was written in by some plotter AFTER the assassination?)
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« Reply #229 on: October 04, 2019, 04:52:06 AM »
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The Michaelis Exhibit #2 does show 510210 written in. That could have possibly been at any time an otherwise numberless document or copy of it was handled. Why wasn't it typed in with the rest of the info on the invoice?

“Coincidentally”, the same was the case on the Klein’s “order blank”.

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