Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle

[John Iacoletti]

Yep, West slept under the wrapping table and he raised five kids at that very spot!

Do you have any reason to believe that Troy West got off work earlier than Oswald?

[David Von Pein]

Oswald constructed a homemade 38-inch paper bag with wrapping paper and tape in the time that Troy West was taking a piss. You're funny.

Who said he "constructed" the bag while standing right at West's mailing table? I haven't seen anyone suggest any such thing. You're funny.

Oswald could have simply swiped the paper and tape while West was gone from his station for a very few seconds. Why is that scenario impossible in the CT world?

[John Iacoletti]

Who said he "constructed" the bag while standing right at West's mailing table? I haven't seen anyone suggest any such thing. You're funny.

Oswald could have simply swiped the paper and tape while West was gone from his station for a very few seconds. Why is that scenario impossible in the CT world?

Mr. WEST - Well, we have those machines with the little round ball that we fill them up with water, and so we set them up. In to--other words, I got a rack that we set them in, and so we put out tape in a machine, and whenever we pull the tape through, why then the water gets, you know, it gets water on it as we pull it through.
Mr. BELIN - If I wanted to pull the tape, pull off a piece without getting water on it, would I just lift it up without going over the wet roller and get the tape without getting it wet?
Mr. WEST - You would have to take it out. You would have to take it out of the machine. See, it's put on there and then run through a little clamp that holds it down, and you pull it, well, then the water, it gets water on it.

The tape had markings from that dispenser on it, right?

[Ross Lidell]

Mr. WEST - Well, we have those machines with the little round ball that we fill them up with water, and so we set them up. In to--other words, I got a rack that we set them in, and so we put out tape in a machine, and whenever we pull the tape through, why then the water gets, you know, it gets water on it as we pull it through.
Mr. BELIN - If I wanted to pull the tape, pull off a piece without getting water on it, would I just lift it up without going over the wet roller and get the tape without getting it wet?
Mr. WEST - You would have to take it out. You would have to take it out of the machine. See, it's put on there and then run through a little clamp that holds it down, and you pull it, well, then the water, it gets water on it.

The tape had markings from that dispenser on it, right?

This TOPIC is: "Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle" and now it has become a discussion about the paper sack that Oswald used to smuggle the rifle into the TSBD.

However: Lee Harvey Oswald could have taken paper from a "new" roll that had yet to be put in the dispenser.  Mystery solved.

[John Iacoletti]

This TOPIC is: "Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle" and now it has become a discussion about the paper sack that Oswald used to smuggle the rifle into the TSBD.

However: Lee Harvey Oswald could have taken paper from a "new" roll that had yet to be put in the dispenser.  Mystery solved.

You mean tape?  But then how would it have gotten marks from the dispenser on it?

[Ross Lidell]

You mean tape?  But then how would it have gotten marks from the dispenser on it?

I was multi-tasking when I wrote that.

I should have said:

However: Lee Harvey Oswald could have taken TAPE from a "new" roll that had yet to be put in the dispenser.  Mystery solved.

If the tape had "marks from the dispenser on it", that proves (beyond a reasonable doubt) that the paper sack was made from materials taken from the TSBD 1st floor wrapping paper/tape dispenser.

This means:

1) Oswald made the paper-sack at the dispenser while no TSBD employee was watching.

2) Oswald somehow manipulated the tape-dispenser so it did not wet the tape when he took some (and paper) intending to make the paper-sack at the Paine's garage on Thursday evening or Friday morning.

3) Oswald "did" remove wet tape from the dispenser; concealed it somewhere; let it dry. He later (at the Paine's garage) wet the tape and used it to make the paper-sack.

4) The Dallas Police constructed the paper-sack to demonstrate how Oswald smuggled the rifle into the TSBD ... and further incriminate him. In this scenario: Dallas police officers smuggled the rifle (Carcano) into the TSBD (before 12:30 pm CST) for the assassin (not Oswald) to use in the murder of JFK.

John,
Assuming that you reject #1, #2 & #3: You need to assign a reason for Dallas Police officers (several) to participate in a plot to murder President John F. Kennedy. I'm assuming you believe they had the "means" and "opportunity". That leaves "motive".

[John Mytton]

Do you have any reason to believe that Troy West got off work earlier than Oswald?

Or Oswald got to work a little earlier on Thursday and spent a couple of minutes building his rifle bag.

Mr. BELIN - Do you remember what time you got to work that particular morning?
Mr. WEST - It was about 10 minutes to 8. I always be 5 or 10 minutes early.

And according to Givens, Oswald got to work early enough to be able to sit down and read the previous day's paper.

Mr. BELIN. Did you see him reading the newspaper?
Mr. GIVENS. No; not that day. I did--he generally sit in there every morning. He would come to work and sit in there and read the paper, the next day paper, like if the day was Tuesday, he would read Monday's paper in the morning when he would come to work, but he didn't that morning because he didn't go in the domino room that morning. I didn't see him in the domino room that morning.



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