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Offline Bill Brown

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« Reply #4120 on: April 17, 2019, 08:43:09 AM »
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Thanks Bill. I've have a terrible ear when comes to discerning statements like that.

Frazier has a bad habit of not speaking clearly.
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4121 on: April 17, 2019, 08:59:50 AM »
I see you can quote posts, so quote me where I said "white sleeve" and I'll admit I made a mistake.
I just told you as well, you cannot always tell the true color of something hit by sunlight and especially with a low resolution image like that.

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« Reply #4122 on: April 17, 2019, 11:32:28 AM »
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Another bump, for Brian.
Can we tell a sleeve "in direct sunlight" from a bare arm, in an image where the person under scrutiny has no discernible facial features?  Fat chance but atm my money's on what the above image is telling me and that's kinda "obvious".

TYG, I did your dirty work for you, or rather I cleaned your mess up.  Hit the link above the quote to see it in it's full context(a cword you may like to look up btw).

This is for the inner Brian.
Listen, I know it's personal, both for you and Duncan and I don't blame youz.  I mean, I'm aware of the Moorman in the street issue for example and was it "the famous five" or something?  The team of debunkers and how personal that got, but as far as I read, it never got as cheap as this.  But it's completely retraded to troll everyone that disagrees with you when you're this obvious about it.

Another thing about the Darnell sleeve frame, just look at how bleached out the people in front of PM are, how do you know the arm area on PM isn't being effected by all that artificial light. Like I'd ask you...  Anyway there's a mistake, because I still believe, like I saida before, that PM whoever he is, is IMO fully shaded(perhaps the hand is in the sun but that's it).  HAND. :)

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4123 on: April 17, 2019, 11:58:44 AM »
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TYG, I did your dirty work for you, or rather I cleaned your mess up.  Hit the link above the quote to see it in it's full context(a cword you may like to look up btw).

This is for the inner Brian.
Listen, I know it's personal, both for you and Duncan and I don't blame youz.  I mean, I'm aware of the Moorman in the street issue for example and was it "the famous five" or something?  The team of debunkers and how personal that got, but as far as I read, it never got as cheap as this.  But it's completely retraded to troll everyone that disagrees with you when you're this obvious about it.

Another thing about the Darnell sleeve frame, just look at how bleached out the people in front of PM are, how do you know the arm area on PM isn't being effected by all that artificial light. Like I'd ask you...  Anyway there's a mistake, because I still believe, like I saida before, that PM whoever he is, is IMO fully shaded(perhaps the hand is in the sun but that's it).  HAND. :)
Bump for Barry.  xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx  not knowing what he says.  It was a dude taking pictures with a camera. NOT Stanton.  Why is he here?

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4124 on: April 17, 2019, 12:19:57 PM »
Does this mirrored Video convey a more accurate hand gestured visual description than the previous video uploaded by Mr Ford, had Buell's memory been more reliable?

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4125 on: April 17, 2019, 01:00:13 PM »
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Yes, of course it does. It also applies to people like Carolyn Arnold, Victoria Adams, and yes, even Jack Tatum.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4126 on: April 17, 2019, 01:15:36 PM »
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If Stanton is to Frazier's left then we should see her in Altgens...

 BS: The right half of the doorway is blocked by people in the foreground.

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Instead we see Pauline Sanders looking over Lovelady and Shelley's shoulders in between them...

Who?s ?we?? Please point out ?Sanders? in Altgens.

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It's the fact we don't see her in Altgens to Frazier's left that proves that she's not there...

Logical fallacy.

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There can be no doubt Lovelady places Sarah over against that west wall with him at that time...

Lovelady didn?t say that ? you made it up.

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In his Commission testimony Lovelady places Stanton in the Prayer Man spot during Altgens which is taken at the same time as Wiegman...

No he doesn?t ? you made it up.

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Persons having false memories do not add to them by insisting Oswald never left by the front...

Doyle fabrication. How do you know what persons having false memories will or will not insist?

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Proof of this is Gary Mack failing to follow-through and ask why Frazier didn't say this back in 1963?...Mack knew exactly why and that's why he didn't ask him...

Doyle fabrication. How do you know what Gary Mack knew?

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4127 on: April 17, 2019, 01:18:47 PM »
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I see you can quote posts, so quote me where I said "white sleeve" and I'll admit I made a mistake.

You didn?t and he won?t. Another one for the Doyle falsehoods list.

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« Reply #4127 on: April 17, 2019, 01:18:47 PM »

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« Reply #4128 on: April 17, 2019, 03:21:51 PM »
You can see everybody on the platform to Frazier's left in Altgens...Stanton is not there and she would be hard to hide...Iacoletti, of course, just flat out ignores that we have Sarah over against the west wall at Hughes, which is 10 seconds prior to Altgens...And we have Sarah in the Prayer Man spot in Altgens as described by Lovelady in his Commission testimony...Since we can see Shelley to Lovelady's left in Altgens that means Sarah is to his right in the Prayer Man spot...Altgens is about equal to Wiegman according to the time it was taken and Wiegman shows us Sarah's face on Prayer Man in Davidson's enhancement...Iacoletti of course trims all this down to nothing by ignoring it because his naysaying depends on deceptive over-simplification so he can respond to his own inadequate arguments...Like the The Lithping Larry Grayson "Oooh Shut That Door" doppleganger group however, Iacoletti omits what he knows he can't answer...The Prayer Man people cheat by not admitting Stanton was on the landing platform so therefore she would have to be seen in Altgens were she to Frazier's left...

Andrej Stancak posted a blow-up of Lovelady & Shelley in Altgens on the other site and you can make out Pauline Sanders peeking up over their shoulders in between both men...That means Sanders is occupying the spot to Frazier's left which once again leaves only the Prayer Man spot for Sarah...We know Sarah is Prayer Man for all the reasons listed but also because there were only two females on the landing and we know where Pauline Sanders is...So Prayer Man having a female face in Wiegman necessitates her being Stanton...Alan likes to post false, out of context entries showing Frazier saying Sarah is to his left, but he just outright ignores all the evidence I post here to show that isn't true so Alan is uncredible...I can answer and refute anything Alan posts...Alan contemptuously ignores my FACTS because he knows he can't refute them...Plus the Prayer Man group is trying to ignore that Buell Frazier has confirmed Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton...

The chubby arm you see in Darnell on Prayer Man is Stanton's obese forearm that is blocked by a purse at the wrist creating an anatomically-impossible narrowing of the wrist...If you removed that purse you would see Sarah's wrist-less obese forearm go all the way to the fat hand just like in the family photo...Like I said - this is a correct observation and it goes ignored and unanswered by the correct evidence-uninterested Prayer Man crew...

The Prayer Man fools led by The Lithping Larry Grayson "Oooh Shut That Door" doppleganger say Lovelady was about to say Oswald was behind him in his Commission testimony but was cut-off by Ball...The problem with that is Prayer Man is not behind Lovelady in Altgens...Frazier is and Lovelady later finished what he was going to say when he told HSCA that Frazier was behind him at that time...Prayer Man is off to Lovelady's right side in Altgens so the correct interpretation of this is Lovelady named Shelley to his left, Frazier behind, and that leaves the only remaining place for Stanton to his right in the Prayer Man spot...For years the research community led by persons like David Josephs and Jim DiEugenio have allowed this classic Greg Parker evidence hacking to go uncorrected and not noticed the basic fact that Prayer Man was not behind Lovelady at that time...

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #4129 on: April 17, 2019, 04:49:35 PM »
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You can see everybody on the platform to Frazier's left in Altgens...

Bull.  You can't even see Frazier.



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Iacoletti, of course, just flat out ignores that we have Sarah over against the west wall at Hughes, which is 10 seconds prior to Altgens...

Bull.  We don't see Sarah in the Hughes film.

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And we have Sarah in the Prayer Man spot in Altgens as described by Lovelady in his Commission testimony...

Bull.  There is no "Prayer Man" in Altgens.  And Lovelady didn't describe Sarah in the Prayer Man spot in his commission testimony.  You made that up.

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Since we can see Shelley to Lovelady's left in Altgens that means Sarah is to his right in the Prayer Man spot...

Even if "black tie" is Shelley (and you've done nothing to demonstrate that), that tells you nothing about where Stanton is.

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Altgens is about equal to Wiegman according to the time it was taken and Wiegman shows us Sarah's face on Prayer Man in Davidson's enhancement...

How is this "Sarah's face"?   :D


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Andrej Stancak posted a blow-up of Lovelady & Shelley in Altgens on the other site

Nobody has ever proven that they are Lovelady and Shelley.

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and you can make out Pauline Sanders peeking up over their shoulders in between both men...

Where?

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That means Sanders is occupying the spot to Frazier's left which once again leaves only the Prayer Man spot for Sarah...We know Sarah is Prayer Man for all the reasons listed but also because there were only two females on the landing

How do you know there were only two females on the landing?

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and we know where Pauline Sanders is...

Where?

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So Prayer Man having a female face in Wiegman necessitates her being Stanton...

You haven't proven that Prayer Man has a female face in Wiegman.

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Alan likes to post false, out of context entries showing Frazier saying Sarah is to his left, but he just outright ignores all the evidence I post here to show that isn't true so Alan is uncredible...

What evidence?  This is just a series of unfounded assumptions.  Besides Frazier's gestures, we also have Sanders' statement:

"To the best of my recollection I was standing on the top step at the east end of the entrance.  I recall that while standing there I noticed Mrs. Sarah Stanton standing next to me".

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I can answer and refute anything Alan posts...

Answer, yes.  Refute, no.

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The chubby arm you see in Darnell on Prayer Man is Stanton's obese forearm that is blocked by a purse at the wrist creating an anatomically-impossible narrowing of the wrist...

Evidence please that this is "anatomically-impossible" and also what is the evidence for a purse?

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If you removed that purse you would see Sarah's wrist-less obese forearm go all the way to the fat hand

How would you know that?

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Like I said - this is a correct observation and it goes ignored and unanswered by the correct evidence-uninterested Prayer Man crew...

Calling your speculations "correct" doesn't make them so.

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The Prayer Man fools led by The Lithping Larry Grayson "Oooh Shut That Door" doppleganger say Lovelady was about to say Oswald was behind him in his Commission testimony but was cut-off by Ball...The problem with that is Prayer Man is not behind Lovelady in Altgens...Frazier is

What are you talking about?  Neither Frazier or PP are visible in Altgens.

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so the correct interpretation of this is Lovelady named Shelley to his left, Frazier behind, and that leaves the only remaining place for Stanton to his right in the Prayer Man spot...

 BS: Lovelady said nothing about where these people were located.
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