Prayer Woman

[Alan Ford]

It was me on the steps.

No more unrealistic than any of the other non-LHO candidates put forward to date 

[Barry Pollard]

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A  cop [apparently in securing the entry] allows a guy and another cop to go in.

That's actually more interesting to me and a nice moment to have on film, if you watch the full footage, you'll see Brennan come out from behind the cop in the door and pethaps sheepishly point out Norman and then secure himself back behind the same officer. All three men then get summoned toward the doors but BRW gets left on the steps, Jarman is the one we see going in I think.

As for Scarf Lady, well either she has a long white purse or a newspaper in her hands IMO.

[Alan Ford]

Thx for your support, will you buy my book?
I have another as well..."The Boy on the Steps"

Absolutely, James----------the face that Brian has scientifically identified as Prayer Man's gives him a height of 4"7'! 

[Alan Ford]

Quote #1 from your 2nd post on page1(my emphasis).

You still think both Frazier and Lovelady were hit by shadow from the west wall, so nothing has changed and you're still very, very confused, "Andrej's shadow is wrong but the way it is now, proves me correct".
Need I go on?

Barry is uncredible because he is not reading the scene dynamically. An expert will confirm what I am saying at some point in the future.

[Larry Trotter]

One more time for everybody...



A  cop [apparently in securing the entry] allows a guy and another cop to go in.
The old bag holding the bag with both hands..uhh looks like she's praying ...she is the one in the blue coat... & acts like she doesn't know what to do with herself.

Jerry:
Again, as a reminder, again, about a year and a half ago, after viewing the clips of the MartinFilm, and HughesFilm, that I believe had previously been isolated by DuncanMacRae,  I concluded I could see some minor resemblance of the LadyImage and PrayerWomanImage.

In order to hopefully secure a positive identification, I started a thread, on another forum to do just that, wherever it lead. And, for lack of a better term, I referred to the LadyImage as ScarfLady, but later to be more accurate, I began referring to ScarfLady as ScarfLadyImage.

Therefor, out of respect, I continue to refer to said image as ScarfLadyImage, as no verifiable correct identity has been established. And, any "old lady" reference by me, was strictly a quote of your comment, seeking clarification.

Plainly stated, I do not know the age of ScarfLadyImage, nor do I see her as an "old bag holding the bag with both hands...uhh looks like she's praying". I see her purse/handbag, attached by strap to her left forearm, and held in that fashion. So, if 'another bag' is seen being held by both hands, it is not seen by me.

Admittedly, evidence has been presented, actual evidence, that indicates that ScarfLadyImage is not aka SarahDeanStanton. That said, although I am not disputing that evidence, I also am so far unable to embrace it as well.

As for the coat worn by ScarfLadyImage, it had rained in the area earlier, and had cooled off that late fall day.

I suppose not being able to 'know what to do with herself' is understandable, considering both the current President of the UnitedStates, and the current Governor of Texas had been shot, just minutes earlier, and just a few feet away from the building where, apparently, she was employed, as well as just across the street from the DallasCountySheriff's Department Building.

I do believe a similar indicative Reply posted previously may have been overlooked and/or ignored.

[Alan Ford]

Friends, we MUST account for the variable amount of wall showing between Prayer Man's right elbow and the redbrick section!

The very short gap in WIEGMAN makes it impossible to put Prayer Man anywhere other than one step down:



But! The gap is markedly larger in DARNELL:



I don't believe this can be explained away simply by the slightly different POV between the two cameramen.

Seems to me the only credible explanation------------barring other credible suggestions! -------------is the following:

When Prayer Man in Wiegman moves his right hand up to his mouth, his right elbow is raised correspondingly:



Now if Prayer Man were to fold his arms, we would expect to see that right elbow higher than it was when he wasn't eating/drinking and slightly east of where it was when he was. And that's exactly what we do see in Darnell:



So I submit!:

-Prayer Man in Wiegman has his hands in the 'prayer' formation
-Prayer Man in Darnell has his arms folded.

No other solution seems to me to naturally allow Prayer Man to stay on the same step AND change so obviously the position of his right elbow!

[Patrick Jackson]

You probably won't because she probably wasn't in Dealey Plaza at the time of the assassination. (Cf. Virginia H. Barnum, Vida Lee Whatley.)

The thing with the Scarf lady in blue coat is that she could not be TSBD employee. She was wearing a coat which means that she went to watch motorcade early and was outside all the time. If she was TSBD employee she would not take raincoat to go out at 12:20-12:25. Right? We must find here somewhere else before Martin/Hughes films.