Prayer Woman

[Alan Ford]

Lovelady in this----------



----------corresponds to Higer Lovelady in this----------



Lovelady goes down a step, which puts him two steps down from the landing

-----------=one step down from Prayer Man



Prayer Man: one step down from the landing

[Barry Pollard]

Alan, the blowup of Hughes where we may or may not see evidence of PM was posted on the bottom of P137 of the Oswald...TSBD thread(and if I sent you to the wrong page last time please except my sincere apologies, I may have earmarked the wrong one and just realised it, this time I doublechecked...).

Also, what you just mentioned about Frazier's jacket, I remember him saying to Gary that he had on probably work boots and denim jeans and yes he did mention his " young farmers logo" jacket but was he sure about that part? Anyway, I agree it's not very likely, it should be very noticable in Darnell.

Thanks for all these images it's appreciated and that little Darnell/Weigman overlay suggests to me that Lovelady was further east than Reese, so I still think he's leaning onto/over the rail in Altgens. I have not the slightest compulsion to put him where the shadow was.

[Barry Pollard]

Hello. I'd like to add my 2 cents to the discussions of the shadows in the doorway. In particular my 3D modeling result is consistent with the shadow angles modeled by Andrej and discussed by Ray. I use a NS offset of 14.5degrees from true north and solar data from the US Navy Observatory.
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Thanks for sharing James, great entry to the thread.
I'd be interested to know how you pinned down Lovelady's poition and also if you could show a 12:30pm slide without the guy on the bottom step because he's blocking any comparison to shadows in other visual evidence.
PS,
your position for PM does not allow for him/her to be blocking the heater/radiator from Darnell's POV, was that a concious decision?

[Barry Pollard]

Movie version:

Chris Thank you,
Is there any way you can carefully superimpose PM onto a frame of this that shows the radiator/heater?
I thought PM/W was blocking it and frames where others see it... unconvincing,
if you feel it's worth the trouble or possible.

[Alan Ford]

Alan, the blowup of Hughes where we may or may not see evidence of PM was posted on the bottom of P137 of the Oswald...TSBD thread(and if I sent you to the wrong page last time please except my sincere apologies, I may have earmarked the wrong one and just realised it, this time I doublechecked...).

No problem, Barry, and thanks for this 



Interesting!

[Alan Ford]

A HORRIBLY crude first attempt to establish the comparative heights of Billy Nolan Lovelady (5'8?") and Prayer Man!

Options!

Prayer Man is either
-----------------------of similar height to Lovelady (= 1 step down) → ~5'8?"
-----------------------approx. 7 inches smaller than Lovelady (= on the landing) → ~5'1?"

[James Hackerott]

Thanks for sharing James, great entry to the thread.
I'd be interested to know how you pinned down Lovelady's poition and also if you could show a 12:30pm slide without the guy on the bottom step because he's blocking any comparison to shadows in other visual evidence.

Barry thank you,
Saying I pinned down Lovelady's position is generous. More like estimated from comparison with a frame of Wiegman, some time in the past.  I'll be happy to modify graphics if a better location is suggested.

As far as PP blocking or not blocking the radiator that was not an issue to me. I don't see how PP could block the radiator and still be in total shadow.

PS,
your position for PM does not allow for him/her to be blocking the heater/radiator from Darnell's POV, was that a concious decision?

Below is a slide comparing Darnell (left) to Wiegman (without the dark shadow). Both POVs should allow viewing at least some of the radiator, as long as someone else is not blocking the view. If you would like a different view please advise.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UWvHZzaT8BxYBgpX4UHNUH4x67VM8jbo/view?usp=sharing



James