Prayer Woman

[Ray Mitcham]

Bump for Brian.

Just tell me, as the top mind on the subject,  , Brian, what angle was the sun casting on the steps at 12.30 on the day JFK was shot?

[Alan Ford]

Agreed, but the shadow on Frazier, I believe, is caused by the left wall of the entrance. The first photo shows a vertical shadow and the second a slightly angled shadow. The reason for the difference in  both Darnell photos is that in the second, Frazier is leaning slightly backwards, probably to see better, what was happening further down the street.

I still don't see how the 'shadow' going down Lovelady's shirt, which seems to follow the orientation of Lovelady's body uncannily, can possibly be cast by the west portal. He's not nearly far west enough



Here's the scene a few seconds later. No hint of a shadow cast on the woman in white below Frazier. And most if not all of Frazier's chest is catching direct sunlight

[Duncan MacRae]

the vertical shadow is caused by the left wall of the entrance.

Actually, it isn't Ray.

The vertical shadow on Lovelady is caused by the inner West side vertical support pillar.

[Ray Mitcham]

Actually, it isn't Ray.

The vertical shadow on Lovelady is caused by the inner West side vertical support pillar.

I disagree totally,, but nevertheless, show us your calculations or proof, Duncan.

Matters not anyway, as the shadow is still caused by the vertical edge of the doorway whether the outside or the inner vertical.

[Ray Mitcham]

Actually, it isn't Ray.

The vertical shadow on Lovelady is caused by the inner West side vertical support pillar.

O.K. What I thought was the end of left wall is actually a column. My bad. I was working off  a sketch, rather than a photo. but see now from the photos that it is indeed a column and not the end of the front wall. Semantics, however, as my argument still stands. Substitute column for end of left wall.

The sketch below shows the entrance I was working to and the thick black line shows the line of the shadow at 12.30.

[Barry Pollard]

We explored the shadow coming from above here in the last edition of this topic and we found that if you're not on the landing and around 5.9' it will not touch you.

Also if you believe that it is real shadow on BL then keep an eye out for an image taken i the next 3hrs that shows anyone in the same position being hit by anything similar, I posted the only one I could find and I'm not even certain that the thin dark patch on the young man's back is indeed shadow. Until I see proof I'll remain doubtful for now and of course it looks like shadow but Ray has really surprised me by saying it's coming from the west wall/pillar, how does work with all the aftermath images of the thin shadow on the steps and with Andej's model and like I say no evidence there on people in later images?

[Barry Pollard]

This would be the angle of the shadow line of that pillar if the "shadow" on BL is real. Just out of sight from Altgens and covering most all of the part of Loveday he couldn't see.


So no offence Ray but why are you still asking Brian what he thinks of the angle when you're now ageeing with him?
It also completely contradicts the sun angle Andrej has gone with.