Buell Wesley Frazier

[Tom Sorensen]

Wake me up when the bag no longer exists.  The one that was found next to the SN with Oswald's prints that can be measured to avoid the necessity of pedantically analyzing witness estimates of its length and how it was carried.  Witness who had no real opportunity or cause to give the bag much notice.

There's no evidence to show "it" was carried outside of the depository until Montgomery took it out. It really sucks. You can go back to sleep now.

[John Mytton]

Oswald knew he had a rifle wrapped in a blanket on the floor of the Paine garage

Says who? You haven't got a clue what Oswald knew or didn't know!

You wouldn't be making up things again, would you now, John?

Or do you, as per usual, mistake your highly speculative opinion again with actual evidence?

You made the silly challenge not me.

Yes rifle = need for a trip to Irving to collect it.

JohnM

[John Mytton]

I don't post on behalf of others; anyone registered is free to reply to a post. Another LN false claim. Your paranoid theories are actually great fun to read; carry on!

Your history here is an open book and there was nothing false about my observation, the fact that you are here freaking out, is very telling.

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

You made the silly challenge not me.

Yes rifle = need for a trip to Irving to collect it.

JohnM

So weak, but thanks for making it abundantly clear that you indeed do not have a shred of evidence to show that a rifle was stored in Ruth Paine's garage on 11/21/63!   

And you still haven't got a clue what Oswald knew or not! Just keep the fairytales coming....

[John Mytton]

Happy to see the problem with the dates finally sunk in, especially since it should be preschool stuff checking with a calendar.

Lt. Day who was not there, either misheard or misinterpreted the date Howlett collected the curtain rods, as being the 15th. A Sunday?

Apart from the 15th possibly being a Sunday (it actually was), can anyone make sense of this?

Happy to see the problem with the dates finally sunk in, especially since it should be preschool stuff checking with a calendar.

Yeah sure, combing through testimony and cross referencing archives is pre-school stuff? Did you discover this or did you rip off other researchers?

Lt. Day who was not there, either misheard or misinterpreted the date Howlett collected the curtain rods, as being the 15th. A Sunday?

Apart from the 15th possibly being a Sunday (it actually was), can anyone make sense of this?

See the problem here Tom, is that you appear to have no experience in the real World, human error out here is so prevalent that it's away of life.
Newspaper articles get locations, facts, times and etc, wrong all the time. Just witness the initial reports in this case alone, different rifles, agents killed, mistaken and/or misrepresented evidence and the list goes on and on.

What I conclude in this Paine curtain rod saga is the WC date of the curtain rod collection is in line with Day's fingerprint analysis and the subsequent Howlett collection, nuff said!
As I said at the start, this is months after the assassination and is a simple exercise in satisfying the public with every potential possibility.

BTW I asked you to "convince me if this is something beyond innocent human error" and where could this possibly be construed as something evil? But as usual you have no answers.

JohnM

[John Mytton]

So weak, but thanks for making it abundantly clear that you indeed do not have a shred of evidence to show that a rifle was stored in Ruth Paine's garage on 11/21/63!   

And you still haven't got a clue what Oswald knew or not! Just keep the fairytales coming....

So weak, but thanks for making it abundantly clear that you indeed do not have a shred of evidence to show that a rifle was stored in Ruth Paine's garage on 11/21/63!   

How bizarre, I don't need a shred of evidence to know that the sun will rise in the morning or will set in the evening, it's a given. Just like Oswald knew that his rifle was in the wrapped blanket which was safely stored in the Paine garage. And don't forget the very same blanket with the cord still tied to it, was empty on the afternoon of the assassination. And guess where the rifle was found on the afternoon of the very same day! ROFL! LOL! HAHAHAHA!

Mr. BALL. What part did you take?
Mr. ROSE. Well, I was the senior detective that was there, and so I was sort of the spokesman for the group, I suppose, and Stovall wen into the bedroom of Marina Oswald--Marina Oswald's bedroom, and I don't remember where Adamcik went first, but I talked with Ruth Paine a few minutes and she told me that Marina was there and that she was Lee Oswald's wife and that she was a citizen of Russia, and so I called Captain Fritz on the phone and told him what I had found out there and asked him if there was any special instructions, and he said, "Well, ask her about her husband, ask her if her husband has a rifle." I turned and asked Marina, but she didn't seem to understand. She said she couldn't understand, so Ruth Paine spoke in Russian to her and Ruth Paine also interpreted for me, and she said that Marina said--first she said Marina said "No," and then a minute Marina said, "Yes, he does have." So, then I talked to Captain Fritz for a moment and hung up the phone and I asked Marina if she would show me where his rifle was and Ruth Paine interpreted and Marina pointed to the garage and she took me to the garage and she pointed to a blanket that was rolled up and laying on the floor near the wall of the garage and Ruth Paine said, "Says that that's where his rifle is." Well, at the time I couldn't tell whether there was one in there or not. It appeared to be--it was in sort of an outline of a rifle.
Mr. BALL. You mean the blanket had the outline of a rifle?
Mr. ROSE. Yes; it did.
Mr. BALL. Was it tied at one end?
Mr. ROSE. Yes, sir; it was sort of rolled up, but it was flattened out from laying down and tied near the middle, I would say, with a cord and so I went on and picked the blanket up, but it was empty--it didn't have the rifle in it.

Mr. STOVALL. Shortly after that, Rose came back in carrying this blanket, as well as I remember, it was tied at one end and the other end was open.
Mr. BALL. It was tied with what kind of material?
Mr. STOVALL. It was tied with a white cord, as well as I remember.
Mr. BALL. A white what?
Mr. STOVALL. A white twine--it was thicker than a kite twine that you see or use on kites--more like this they use for wrapping large packages and tying them and he showed me that end, of course, he told me----
Mr. BALL. What did he tell you?
Mr. STOVALL. He told me that when he went to the garage, Marina had pointed to the blanket there and she said something to Ruth Paine and Ruth Paine told him that that was where Lee kept his rifle.

Mr. BELIN. All right, then what happened?
Mr. ADAMCIK. Well, we went through the house, if I remember correctly, and I believe the other detectives found some property. I know they found this blanket that was rolled up in the garage.
Mr. BELIN. Were you there when they saw the blanket?
Mr. ADAMCIK. No; I wasn't there. I saw the blanket later.
Mr. BELIN. Where was it when you first saw it?
Mr. ADAMCIK. I believe they took it in the house. I am pretty sure.
Mr. BELIN. Had they unrolled the blanket when they took it in the house?
Mr. ADAMCIK. No; they had a string still tied around it. Apparently had two strings, and just one of the strings were cut.
Mr. BELIN. One of the strings was cut?
Mr. ADAMCIK. Yes.

BTW for someone who is vigorously defending Oswald, you haven't been doing a very good job, the mountain of evidence still stands just as tall today as it has for every day for over 60 years. Try harder!

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

How bizarre, I don't need a shred of evidence to know that the sun will rise in the morning or will set in the evening, it's a given. Just like Oswald knew that his rifle was in the wrapped blanket which was safely stored in the Paine garage. And don't forget the very same blanket with the cord still tied to it, was empty on the afternoon of the assassination. And guess where the rifle was found on the afternoon of the very same day! ROFL! LOL! HAHAHAHA!

Mr. BALL. What part did you take?
Mr. ROSE. Well, I was the senior detective that was there, and so I was sort of the spokesman for the group, I suppose, and Stovall wen into the bedroom of Marina Oswald--Marina Oswald's bedroom, and I don't remember where Adamcik went first, but I talked with Ruth Paine a few minutes and she told me that Marina was there and that she was Lee Oswald's wife and that she was a citizen of Russia, and so I called Captain Fritz on the phone and told him what I had found out there and asked him if there was any special instructions, and he said, "Well, ask her about her husband, ask her if her husband has a rifle." I turned and asked Marina, but she didn't seem to understand. She said she couldn't understand, so Ruth Paine spoke in Russian to her and Ruth Paine also interpreted for me, and she said that Marina said--first she said Marina said "No," and then a minute Marina said, "Yes, he does have." So, then I talked to Captain Fritz for a moment and hung up the phone and I asked Marina if she would show me where his rifle was and Ruth Paine interpreted and Marina pointed to the garage and she took me to the garage and she pointed to a blanket that was rolled up and laying on the floor near the wall of the garage and Ruth Paine said, "Says that that's where his rifle is." Well, at the time I couldn't tell whether there was one in there or not. It appeared to be--it was in sort of an outline of a rifle.
Mr. BALL. You mean the blanket had the outline of a rifle?
Mr. ROSE. Yes; it did.
Mr. BALL. Was it tied at one end?
Mr. ROSE. Yes, sir; it was sort of rolled up, but it was flattened out from laying down and tied near the middle, I would say, with a cord and so I went on and picked the blanket up, but it was empty--it didn't have the rifle in it.

Mr. STOVALL. Shortly after that, Rose came back in carrying this blanket, as well as I remember, it was tied at one end and the other end was open.
Mr. BALL. It was tied with what kind of material?
Mr. STOVALL. It was tied with a white cord, as well as I remember.
Mr. BALL. A white what?
Mr. STOVALL. A white twine--it was thicker than a kite twine that you see or use on kites--more like this they use for wrapping large packages and tying them and he showed me that end, of course, he told me----
Mr. BALL. What did he tell you?
Mr. STOVALL. He told me that when he went to the garage, Marina had pointed to the blanket there and she said something to Ruth Paine and Ruth Paine told him that that was where Lee kept his rifle.

Mr. BELIN. All right, then what happened?
Mr. ADAMCIK. Well, we went through the house, if I remember correctly, and I believe the other detectives found some property. I know they found this blanket that was rolled up in the garage.
Mr. BELIN. Were you there when they saw the blanket?
Mr. ADAMCIK. No; I wasn't there. I saw the blanket later.
Mr. BELIN. Where was it when you first saw it?
Mr. ADAMCIK. I believe they took it in the house. I am pretty sure.
Mr. BELIN. Had they unrolled the blanket when they took it in the house?
Mr. ADAMCIK. No; they had a string still tied around it. Apparently had two strings, and just one of the strings were cut.
Mr. BELIN. One of the strings was cut?
Mr. ADAMCIK. Yes.

BTW for someone who is vigorously defending Oswald, you haven't been doing a very good job, the mountain of evidence still stands just as tall today as it has for every day for over 60 years. Try harder!

JohnM

How bizarre, I don't need a shred of evidence to know that the sun will rise in the morning or will set in the evening, it's a given.

Just how pathetic can you get? A rifle being in Ruth Paine's garage on 11/21/63 is not a given, so, yes, you need to present at least a shred of actual evidence that it was there, instead of trying to weasel out of it!

Just like Oswald knew that his rifle was in the wrapped blanket which was safely stored in the Paine garage.

Strike two: you haven't got a clue what Oswald knew or not!

And don't forget the very same blanket with the cord still tied to it, was empty on the afternoon of the assassination.

Wow... that's powerful evidence of just how ignorant you really are. An empty blanket that, according to Micheal Paine, could easily have contained camping equipment was found empty by people who were clueless about how long the blanket had been empty. In the real world, an empty blanket found in a garage is evidence of an empty blanket being in that garage and nothing more

And guess where the rifle was found on the afternoon of the very same day!

What rifle would that be? Once again you are making silly claims that you can not support by actual evidence!

I'm not even going to bother with what Rose, Stovall and Adamcik said, because not one of them actually saw a rifle in Ruth Paine's garage!

When all you have is an empty blanket that, in the opinion of Gus Rose, "had the outline of a rifle", you really haven't got anything at all.

BTW for someone who is vigorously defending Oswald, you haven't been doing a very good job, the mountain of evidence still stands just as tall today as it has for every day for over 60 years.

Thank you for sharing your biased opinion.

Now, let's try to go back to evidence that actually would be accepted in court. What is your evidence that there was a rifle in Ruth Paine's garage on 11/21/63.
And please try not to display you utter ignorance and duplicity this time around!