Buell Wesley Frazier

[Michael Capasse]

Put two things together that prove Lee Oswald owns that bag. Just two.
60 pages and Mytton & Nissan have failed with half truth and assumptions.

[Michael Capasse]

Whoa ! Randle makes no mention of the left hand or holding the bottom.

Mrs. RANDLE. He was carrying a package in a sort of a heavy brown bag, heavier than a grocery bag it looked to me. It was about, if I might measure, about this long, I suppose, and he carried it in his right hand, had the top sort of folded down and had a grip like this, and the bottom, he carried it this way, you know, and it almost touched the ground as he carried it.

Mr. BALL. Let me see. He carried it in his right hand, did he?
Mrs. RANDLE. That is right.

Mr. BALL. And where was his hand gripping the middle of the package?
Mrs. RANDLE. No, sir; the top with just a little bit sticking up. You know just like you grab something like that.

Mr. BALL. And he was grabbing it with his right hand at the top of the package and the package almost touched the ground?
Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, sir.

He's holding it like a grip bag with one hand - but she only saw him from the waist up. (and white t shirt?)
"He had on a white T-shirt, I just saw him from the waist up,..."
it also gives absolutely no indication of a package longer than what Frazier said.
The 36" estimate was added by FBI Bookout by mistake - perhaps even fed to her. She has no reason to lie.

You put far too much weight in this unreliable witness at a glance - against Frazier - who is absolutely sure - palm to armpit.
Looking at this now, NO, her description does NOT match the placement of the fingerprints. Her description makes the bag no longer than what BWF saw

  2x Lee carried an 8 lb. rifle with one hand.

[John Mytton]

Put two things together that prove Lee Oswald owns that bag. Just two.
60 pages and Mytton & Nissan have failed with half truth and assumptions.

Why do CT's always make themselves the ultimate arbiter and for no reasonable reason, deny each and every piece of presented evidence? Lucky we have impartial Jury's, who make decisions based on the evidence and not their overpowering bias!

Oswald's prints were on the bag, and again, Oswald's prints were on the bag.



The bag was a perfect fit for Oswald's rifle.



The bag was recovered in the sniper's nest and Oswald's rifle was discovered on the very same floor.

JohnM

[John Mytton]

Whoa ! Randle makes no mention of the left hand or holding the bottom.

Mrs. RANDLE. He was carrying a package in a sort of a heavy brown bag, heavier than a grocery bag it looked to me. It was about, if I might measure, about this long, I suppose, and he carried it in his right hand, had the top sort of folded down and had a grip like this, and the bottom, he carried it this way, you know, and it almost touched the ground as he carried it.

Mr. BALL. Let me see. He carried it in his right hand, did he?
Mrs. RANDLE. That is right.

Mr. BALL. And where was his hand gripping the middle of the package?
Mrs. RANDLE. No, sir; the top with just a little bit sticking up. You know just like you grab something like that.

Mr. BALL. And he was grabbing it with his right hand at the top of the package and the package almost touched the ground?
Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, sir.

He's holding it like a grip with one hand - She only see him from the wast up.
This gives absolutely no indication of a package longer than what Frazier said.
The 36" estimate was added by FBI Bookout. AND she has no reason to lie.

You put far too much weight in this witness against Frazier - who is - absolutely sure - palm to armpit.
Looking at this now, her description does NOT match the placement of the fingerprints.

  2x Lee carried an 8 lb. rifle with one hand.

The 36" estimate was added by FBI Bookout.

Yeah it was written by Bookout after he wrote "Randle stated..."

Did Bookout estimate that Randle said Oswald walked up the driveway?
Did Bookout estimate that Randle said Oswald had a long brown package?
Did Bookout estimate that Randle said Oswald put the long brown package in the back of Wesley's car?
Did Bookout estimate that Randle said thereafter Oswald walked to the entrance area?
Did Bookout estimate that Randle said Oswald waited there for Wesley to come out and drive Oswald to work?

RANDLE stated that about 7:15 a.m., November 22, 1963, she looked out of a window of her residence and observed LEE HARVEY OSWALD walking up her driveway and saw him put a long brown package, approximately 3 feet by 6 inches, in the back seat area of WESLEY FRAZIER's 1954 black Chevrolet four door automobile. Thereafter, she observed OSWALD walk to the front, or entrance area, of her residence where he waited for FRAZIER to come out of the house and give him a ride to work.

• Randle initial estimate of the length of the long brown package was done out of honesty and all your denials won't change this solid evidence, the fact that she later colluded with Wesley to drastically shrink the package came about because of Wesley's fear, especially after Fritz threatened a poor innocent 19 year old with physical violence.

JohnM

[Michael Capasse]

...the fact that she later colluded with Wesley to drastically shrink the package came about because of Wesley's fear....

JohnM

Ridiculous claim without any proof.

[Jack Nessan]

WHY? please tell me. - I'm talking to a brick  - I'll say it again...
A shorter package does not refute what LMR saw. I just don't know what else to say.

Frazier saw a bag from his palm to his armpit. How is that the rifle?

You are a brick. You have no idea what you post.

You wrote this “"One hand near the top -  the other for support at the bottom. I seriously don't understand your point"

You cut and pasted this:

Mrs. RANDLE. He was carrying a package in a sort of a heavy brown bag, heavier than a grocery bag it looked to me. It was about, if I might measure, about this long, I suppose, and he carried it in his right hand, had the top sort of folded down and had a grip like this, and the bottom, he carried it this way, you know, and it almost touched the ground as he carried it.

You all by yourself completely have made the case that there is no way the bag was 27 inches. Nobody else needs to post another word. These denying posts make no sense in light of what you have posted about Linnie’s testimony. Her testimony was plain enough to understand that you made the claim the bag was held on the bottom and she stated repeatedly the bottom was nearly on the ground. There is no other explanation than LHO would have to have been bent over to accomplish that if the bag was 27 inches. For god’s sake do the math. 

It is really simple you can either believe the bag was 27 inches and LHO was walking bent over or you can believe the bag was 42 inches and LHO was walking erect. Pick one.

 

[John Mytton]

Ridiculous claim without any proof.

It is not a ridiculous claim, it's called deductive reasoning based on affidavits, FBI report, physical evidence and testimony.

1) The first day evidence is that Linnie Mae Randall said she saw a three foot long package which is much, much longer than 2 foot and impossible to get wrong.
2) The only package found was a package about 3 feet long with Oswald's prints. See how the evidence fits!
3) Frazier is interrogated and threatened with physical violence.
4) Naïve Frazier would be scared of being guilty by association.
5) Oswald tells Frazier that his package contained "curtain rods" but I suspect Frazier knew otherwise and if not from the start, definitely after Frazier heard shots and Oswald was no where to be found.
6) To try and appear innocent Frazier tells the story that the package was only two feet long, too bad the only bag found was at least 50% longer and had Oswald's prints.

Now for a another piece of the puzzle, Frazier worked with curtain rods and knew how they came packaged, so to weasel his way out of his predicament, Frazier used this memory as his BS size estimate.

Mr. BALL - Did it appear to you there was some, more than just paper he was carrying, some kind of a weight he was carrying?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, yes, sir; I say, because one reason I know that because I worked in a department store before and I had uncrated curtain rods when they come in, and I know if you have seen when they come straight from the factory you know how they can bundle them up and put them in there pretty compact, so he told me it was curtain rods so I didn't think any more about the package whatsoever.

BTW for any alternate "curtain rods" story to be true then we must locate the "curtain rods" and then we have to ascertain why Oswald didn't take the "curtain rods" when he left the Depository?
Then and only then can we rely on the obviously fictitious "curtain rods" story but until that day we have to depend on the physical evidence, testimonies, ETC, ETC...

JohnM