Buell Wesley Frazier

[Jack Nessan]

Garbage. Unless BWF has something to do with the assassination, he had absolutely nothing to worry about.
Fritz came in with a confession, Frazier put his fist down with no intention of signing it. Fritz left the room. End of story.
That's a Lame Nutters excuse to make up for the length LMR thought she saw very briefly from a distance.

Why do I need to do that? - Frazier showed me exactly what he saw. - and he is definite with the WC as well.

Mr. BALL - You say he had the package under his arm when you saw him?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL - You mean one end of it under the armpit?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; he had it up just like you stick it right under your arm like that.

Mr. BALL - And he had the lower part--
Mr. FRAZIER - The other part with his right hand.

Mr. BALL - Right hand?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right.

Mr. BALL - He carried it then parallel to his body?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right, straight up and down.

Representative FORD - Under his right arm?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes.

and the bottom:
Mr. FRAZIER - I didn't pay much attention, but when I did, I say, he had this part down here,
like the bottom would be short he had cupped in his hand like that...".

I forgot you have your own theory. He carried in a fully assembled 40 in. rifle? No one else says that.
I guess you need to accommodate Linne Mae, but then you fail at Frazier. - and beyond that the first 11 officers.
Then again, he wouldn't have to re assemble the rifle. The pinch on that is, no evidence of any tool. A real must-a-done-it !
That's how it is throughout this entire case. LNs have to make excuses for what is broken, to fill in the story. (some rewrite the tale where necessary)

That's your dilemma.

The only reason BWF is not part of some conspiracy theory is because of his denial about the bag length. Your view of events is from the present looking back to the assassination. BWF had no idea what the police were thinking.

Your quoting Linnie’s second recounting not her first. Her first is a 42 inch bag, that was being held in a manner that would have LHO bent at the hip to be holding a 27 inch bag in the same manner.

No dilema at all. You might want to check in with Colin Crow about a fully assembled carcano in the bag. His theory made sense to me.

[Martin Weidmann]

The only reason BWF is not part of some conspiracy theory is because of his denial about the bag length. Your view of events is from the present looking back to the assassination. BWF had no idea what the police were thinking.

Your quoting Linnie’s second recounting not her first. Her first is a 42 inch bag, that was being held in a manner that would have LHO bent at the hip to be holding a 27 inch bag in the same manner.

No dilema at all. You might want to check in with Colin Crow about a fully assembled carcano in the bag. His theory made sense to me.

BWF had no idea what the police were thinking.

For once I agree.

But if he didn't know what the police were thinking, why would he lie about the way he saw Oswald carry the bag and why would he deny that the bag they showed them on Friday evening was the bag he saw Oswald carry? 

If he was indeed lying, wouldn't that incriminate him?

[Michael Capasse]

The only reason BWF is not part of some conspiracy theory is because of his denial about the bag length. Your view of events is from the present looking back to the assassination. BWF had no idea what the police were thinking. 

That makes no sense. He was not involved and that becomes apparent very quickly. This picture is he himself showing what he saw. It was not the rifle.

Your quoting Linnie’s second recounting not her first. Her first is a 42 inch bag, that was being held in a manner that would have LHO bent at the hip to be holding a 27 inch bag in the same manner. 

You lost all credibility on LMR. A shorter bag does not refute the way she saw the bag held. But it was the glimpse from a distance, and she miss-judged the length. Funny, nutters accept a fleeting glimpse only in their favor.

You might want to check in with Colin Crow about a fully assembled carcano in the bag. His theory made sense to me.

Good for you.

[Tom Sorensen]

The only reason BWF is not part of some conspiracy theory is because of his denial about the bag length. Your view of events is from the present looking back to the assassination. BWF had no idea what the police were thinking.

Your quoting Linnie’s second recounting not her first. Her first is a 42 inch bag, that was being held in a manner that would have LHO bent at the hip to be holding a 27 inch bag in the same manner.

No dilema at all. You might want to check in with Colin Crow about a fully assembled carcano in the bag. His theory made sense to me.

Your quoting Linnie’s second recounting not her first. Her first is a 42 inch bag, that was being held in a manner that would have LHO bent at the hip to be holding a 27 inch bag in the same manner.

Her first description, the November 22 AFFIDAVIT, only says that Lee was "carrying a long brown package." Nothing about its size or how Lee was holding it. The 3 feet by 6 inches was added by Bookhout in his FBI report, and the word "bag" is not used, but nice try.

[John Mytton]

That makes no sense. He was not involved and that becomes apparent very quickly. This picture is he himself showing what he saw. It was not the rifle.



You lost all credibility on LMR. A shorter bag does not refute the way she saw the bag held. But it was the glimpse from a distance, and she miss-judged the length. Funny, nutters accept a fleeting glimpse only in their favor.

Good for you.

1) In the following video @3:33 Buell Wesley Frazier Under Oath, admits that he hardly paid any attention to the bag and the bag could have been protruding out the front of his body, so in other words Frazier who had had no other choice but to tell the truth, and simply all this time has made a self serving assumption for how he perceived Oswald was holding the bag.

2) In his WC testimony Frazier powerfully reinforces that he "didn't pay too much attention" to the bag!

Mr. BALL - All right.
When you got in the car did you say anything to him or did he say anything to you?
Mr. FRAZIER - Let's see, when I got in the car I have a kind of habit of glancing over my shoulder and so at that time I noticed there was a package laying on the back seat, I didn't pay too much attention and I said, "What's the package, Lee?"
And he said, "Curtain rods," and I said, "Oh, yes, you told me you was going to bring some today."
That is the reason, the main reason he was going over there that Thursday afternoon when he was to bring back some curtain rods, so I didn't think any more about it when he told me that.

Mr. BALL - Did it look to you as if there was something heavy in the package?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I will be frank with you, I didn't pay much attention to the package because like I say before and after he told me that it was curtain rods and I didn't pay any attention to it, and he never had lied to me before so I never did have any reason to doubt his word.

Mr. BALL - Well, from the way he carried it, the way he walked, did it appear he was carrying something that had more than the weight of a paper?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I say, you know like I say, I didn't pay much attention to the package other than I knew he had it under his arm and I didn't pay too much attention the way he was walking because I was walking along there looking at the railroad cars and watching the men on the diesel switch them cars and I didn't pay too much attention on how he carried the package at all.

Mr. BALL - You will notice that this bag which is the colored bag, FBI Exhibit No. 10, is folded over. Was it folded over when you saw it the first time, folded over to the end?
Mr. FRAZIER - I will say I am not sure about that, whether it was folded over or not, because, like I say, I didn't pay that much attention to it.

Mr. BALL - But are you sure that his hand was at the end of the package or at the side of the package?
Mr. FRAZIER - Like I said, I remember I didn't look at the package very much, paying much attention, but when I did look at it he did have his hands on the package like that.

Mr. BALL - Mr. Frazier, we have here this Exhibit No. 364 which is a sack and in that we have put a dismantled gun. Don't pay any attention to that. Will you stand up here and put this under your arm and then take a hold of it at the side?
Now, is that anywhere near similar to the way that Oswald carried the package?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, you know, like I said now, I said I didn't pay much attention--

3) Frazier was a little over 6 foot, so wouldn't that make his underarm to cupped hand a different measurement to the much shorter Oswald, and Linnie Mae originally told the FBI that the bag was about 3 feet long, then while testifying she folded a similar bag to be 28 and a half inches, then aggressively blurts out that the bag was 27 inches the last time she estimated, it's obvious that this pair was desperately attempting to decrease the size of the bag.

Mr. BALL - How tall are you?
Mr. FRAZIER - I am 6-foot, a little bit over 6-foot.

4) Oswald made a special mid-week trip to retrieve his "curtain rods" yet leaves the building without the "curtain rods", why would he do this? In fact the only object that closely resembles the brown paper package was the brown paper package found in the sniper's nest with Oswald's prints! Which BTW was a perfect fit for Oswald's rifle found on the same floor.

5) Why would Oswald lie to multiple interrogators that he had his lunch in the package?

6) Why would Oswald lie to multiple interrogators that he carried the package with him on his lap on the front seat?

7) Why did Oswald upon arriving at Frazier's house immediately hide the rifle on the back seat of Frazier's car?

Michael I know you are a devoted Anybody but Oswald freak and you will have a bunch of zany irrational answers to my questions but do you really think that your implausible answers would be enough to sway a sane impartial Jury? I'll give you a hint, your weak attempts at refutation would be met with howls of laughter!

JohnM

[Michael Capasse]

1) In the following video @3:33 Buell Wesley Frazier Under Oath, admits that he hardly paid any attention to the bag and the bag could have been protruding out the front of his body, so in other words Frazier who had had no other choice but to tell the truth, and simply all this time has made a self serving assumption for how he perceived Oswald was holding the bag.

I know that VB misrepresents the size of the rifle when he gets BWF to say the package could have ended before rising above the shoulder
That is impossible - look at the 2nd picture BWF shows the smallest the rifle can be hidden. What BWF saw was different than allegedly found.

2) In his WC testimony Frazier powerfully reinforces that he "didn't pay too much attention" to the bag!

*yawn*
Not as powerful as demonstrating how sure he was of the size, as well as the end - top and bottom.

Mr. BALL - You say he had the package under his arm when you saw him?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL - You mean one end of it under the armpit?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; he had it up just like you stick it right under your arm like that.

Mr. BALL - And he had the lower part--
Mr. FRAZIER - The other part with his right hand.

Mr. BALL - Right hand?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right.

Mr. BALL - He carried it then parallel to his body?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right, straight up and down.

Representative FORD - Under his right arm?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes.

and the bottom:
Mr. FRAZIER - I didn't pay much attention, but when I did, I say, he had this part down here,
like the bottom would be short he had cupped in his hand like that...". [/quote]

3) Frazier was a little over 6 foot, so wouldn't that make his underarm to cupped hand a different measurement to the much shorter Oswald, and Linnie Mae originally told the FBI that the bag was about 3 feet long, then while testifying she folded a similar bag to be 28 and a half inches, then aggressively blurts out that the bag was 27 inches the last time she estimated, it obvious that this pair was desperately attempting to decrease the size of the bag.

Mr. BALL - How tall are you?
Mr. FRAZIER - I am 6-foot, a little bit over 6-foot.

Mr. BALL - When you cupped the bottom of your package in the hands, will you stand up, again, please,
and the upper part of the package is not under the armpit, the top of the package extends almost up to the level of your ear.

Mr. FRAZIER - Right.

4) Oswald made a special mid-week trip to retrieve his "curtain rods" yet leaves the building without the "curtain rods", why would he do this? In fact the only object that closely resembles the brown paper package was the brown paper package found in the sniper's nest with Oswald's prints! Which BTW was a perfect fit for Oswald's rifle found on the same floor.

Has no bearing on what Frazier saw Oswald carry.
The first 11 officers never saw the bag on the floor.  Here are the first 4 testimony:

Sgt. Gerald Hill, the first DPD officer to arrive:
"The only specifics we discussed were this. You were asking Officer Hicks if either one recalled seeing a sack,
supposedly one that had been made by the suspect, in which he could have possibly carried the weapon into the Depository,
and I at that time told you about the small sack that appeared to be a lunch sack, and that that was the only sack that I saw,
and that I left the Book Depository prior to the finding of the gun."

Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney
Mr. BALL. Did you see a paper bag at any other window?
Mr. MOONEY. No, sir; I didn't.

Mr. BALL. .....Now, was there anything you saw over in the corner?
Mr. MOONEY. No, sir; I didn't see anything over in the corner.

Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig:
Mr. BELIN. Was there any long sack laying in the floor there that you remember seeing, or not?
Mr. CRAIG. No; I don't remember seeing any.

Detective Boyd, who arrived with Captain Fritz before Day and Studebaker:
Mr. BALL. Did you see any brown wrapping paper near the window where the hulls were found,
near the windows alongside which the hulls were found?

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5) Why would Oswald lie to multiple interrogators that he had his lunch in the package?

Interrogations are incomplete. Context is lost on much of what he said.

6) Why would Oswald lie to multiple interrogators that he carried the package with him on his lap on the front seat?

Interrogations are incomplete. Context is lost on much of what he said.

7) Why did Oswald upon arriving at Frazier's house immediately hide the rifle on the back seat of Frazier's car?

Only you say it was hidden. It was laid on the backseat. DPD measured as Frazier remembered it  - at about 28 inches across.

Michael I know you are a devoted Anybody but Oswald freak and you will have a bunch of zany irrational answers to my questions but do you really think that your implausible answers would be enough to sway a sane impartial Jury? I'll give you a hint, your weak attempts at refutation would be met with howls of laughter!

Most of what you posted here, is not even evidence.

[John Mytton]

I know that VB misrepresents the size of the rifle when he gets BWF to say the package could have ended before rising above the shoulder
That is impossible - look at the 2nd picture BWF shows the smallest the rifle can be hidden. What BWF saw was different than allegedly found.

*yawn*
Not as  powerful as he demonstrates how sure he was of the size, as well as the end - top and bottom.

Mr. BALL - You say he had the package under his arm when you saw him?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL - You mean one end of it under the armpit?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; he had it up just like you stick it right under your arm like that.

Mr. BALL - And he had the lower part--
Mr. FRAZIER - The other part with his right hand.

Mr. BALL - Right hand?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right.

Mr. BALL - He carried it then parallel to his body?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right, straight up and down.

Representative FORD - Under his right arm?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes.

and the bottom:
Mr. FRAZIER - I didn't pay much attention, but when I did, I say, he had this part down here,
like the bottom would be short he had cupped in his hand like that...".

Mr. BALL - When you cupped the bottom of your package in the hands, will you stand up, again, please,
and the upper part of the package is not under the armpit, the top of the package extends almost up to the level of your ear.

Mr. FRAZIER - Right.

Has no bearing on what Frazier saw Oswald carry.

Interrogations are incomplete. Context is lost on much of what he said.

Interrogations are incomplete. Context is lost on much of what he said.

Only you say it was hidden. It was laid on the backseat. DPD measured as Frazier remembered it  - at about 28 inches across.

Thanks for answering with the typical nonsensical responses, which as I said will in no way sway a sane Jury from the solid evidence I presented.

Anyway I will address this problem.

DPD measured as Frazier remembered it  - at about 28 inches across.

So Frazier had a very familiar object to compare and measure the size of the bag which by definition must be the most accurate measurement, yes? So how on Earth could a 28 inch bag fit under Oswald's armpit to his cupped hand when the much taller Frazier himself demonstrates that 24 inches barely fits?? Clearly Frazier was very scared and as I pointed out the main mission of both Linnie and Buell was to keep shrinking the bag!

Btw don't bother responding because your obvious bias won't add anything constructive.

JohnM