Buell Wesley Frazier

[Michael Capasse]

Right palm print on one side, the left index finger on the other. 

Both are right - How wide was his hand?  - They are not even at the same level

He was not holding it by the sack.

I don't know what this means.

The prints would not be on the same side. He had a hold of the rifle barrel on the top. Held the stock with the other hand with the sack somewhat angling across his body. 

When did she say other hand?

LHO was 5 feet 9 inches tall.  The rifle was 2 inches off the ground.

You're just making it up as you go.

[John Mytton]

How wide was his hand?  - They are not at the same level

I don't know what this means.

When did she say other hand?

You're just making it up as you go.

Facts;

Linnie Mae described a long brown paper bag.
Frazier described a long brown paper bag.
Oswald lied about where in Frazier's car he put the package.
Oswald lied about the contents of the bag to the Police
Oswald's prints were on the bag.
The bag was an exact fit for the rifle.







JohnM

[Richard Smith]

We were discussing what West did during his lunch break you utter moron.

LOL.  Comedy gold.  Your profoundly stupid point was that West "never" left his workstation questioning how Oswald could have made the bag.   Of course, West left at the end of the day to go home.  Anyone could have obtained the materials after he left for the day.  The WC questions mostly related to 11.22.  Obviously, Oswald made the bag before 11.22. 

[Tom Graves]

I doubt that Buell was so bad at estimating short measurements that he was trying to show us in the photo his concept of 25 or 26 inches ("two feet plus-or-minus an inch or two," iirc).

To reiterate, I think Buell intuited that morning that the package contained a rifle, and he lied about having that intuition later in order to keep from being charged as an accomplice in the murder of the President of the United States.

[John Mytton]

To reiterate, I think Buell intuited that morning that the package contained a rifle, and he lied about having that intuition later in order to keep from being charged as an accomplice in the murder of the President of the United States.

I suspect you are right, Linnie on the second day did say that Oswald's package was 3 feet long and as time went on her estimates of the package size got smaller, because most likely Linnie and Frazier got together and Frazier realizing that he drove the Assassin to work did his best to deny knowledge. Frazier was a simple man who had no reason to doubt Oswald because what are the chances that Oswald who he barely knew, would go full on psycho?

I think more workers than only Frazier saw Oswald with a long package but they didn't dare say anything. But one clue reinforcing this suspicion came in Dougherty's testimony;

Mr. BALL - Did you ever see Lee Oswald carry any sort of large package?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I didn't, but some of the fellows said they did.
Mr. BALL - Who said that?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, Bill Shelley, he told me that he thought he saw him carrying a fairly good-sized package.

JohnM

[Tom Graves]

I suspect you are right, Linnie on the second day did say that Oswald's package was 3 feet long and as time went on her estimates of the package size got smaller, because most likely Linnie and Frazier got together and Frazier realizing that he drove the Assassin to work did his best to deny knowledge. Frazier was a simple man who had no reason to doubt Oswald because what are the chances that Oswald who he barely knew, would go full on psycho?

I think more workers than only Frazier saw Oswald with a long package but they didn't dare say anything. But one clue reinforcing this suspicion came in Dougherty's testimony;

Mr. BALL - Did you ever see Lee Oswald carry any sort of large package?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I didn't, but some of the fellows said they did.
Mr. BALL - Who said that?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, Bill Shelley, he told me that he thought he saw him carrying a fairly good-sized package.

JohnM

Good point.

Shelley had probably asked Dougherty if he'd seen LHO carrying the package.

I assume this was after the assination?

[Richard Smith]

I doubt that Buell was so bad at estimating short measurements that he was trying to show us in the photo his concept of 25 or 26 inches ("two feet plus-or-minus an inch or two," iirc).

To reiterate, I think Buell intuited that morning that the package contained a rifle, and he lied about having that intuition later in order to keep from being charged as an accomplice in the murder of the President of the United States.

Wow.  A profound insight for once that doesn't involve the KGB or Putin.  I agree.  BWF called his much smarter sister from the hospital after the assassination.  She must have told him he was in deep shite having driven the assassin and his weapon to the TSBD.  Better to play Gomer Pyle dumb than acknowledge any suspicion that his passenger had a rifle shape package.   So he was just a good old boy doing a good deed.  He didn't notice much or suspect anything.  He and Oswald didn't even discuss the JFK motorcade going by their workplace that day or hear anything on the radio despite it being the top news story that day.  Just driving in the rain in silence.