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Dr. Baden Refuted the Single-Bullet Theory
Jack Nessan:
--- Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on September 13, 2026, 04:17:26 PM ---You sound like a teenager trying to lie and insult his way through an argument that he knows he's losing, and losing badly.
Here's a bit of basic logic for you: The fact that a bullet fired from the sixth-floor window could not have hit and transited JFK's neck at an upward angle unless JFK had been leaning far forward, coupled with the fact that we know he was not leaning far forward, proves that the shot could not have come from the sixth-floor window. Thus, the SBT is impossible from the outset, which means that your demand for a non-SBT trajectory through Connally is nothing but a silly evasion.
This is not to mention the fact, again, that WC skeptics have discussed non-SBT trajectories to and through Connally's torso, that Connally himself adamantly rejected any notion that he was hit before Z229, and that Dr. Shaw refuted your ridiculous 45-degree downward angle through Connally.
Objective people will notice that you are ducking and dodging the key facts discussed in my OP and in my replies.
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No, the 45 degree angle bullet track through JBC is a fact. Dr Shaw never refuted it. He never mentioned it. Dr Shaw was part of the WC testimonies not the HSCA Panel. How could he refute any of their findings?
The description of the wounds and the medical analysis by the doctors are facts. Everything else is your pretend make-believe nonsense. Your made-up hypothetical crap does not mean anything to anybody. Is this Single Bullet Theory the lynchpin of your whole ridiculous conspiracy theory? Is that why you pretend
these opinions of yours have some kind of merit, and they are just unfounded opinions.
John Corbett:
--- Quote from: Jack Nessan on September 13, 2026, 04:45:01 PM ---No, the 45 degree angle bullet track through JBC is a fact. Dr Shaw never refuted it. He never mentioned it. Dr Shaw was part of the WC testimonies not the HSCA Panel. How could he refute any of their findings?
The description of the wounds and the medical analysis by the doctors are facts. Everything else is your pretend make-believe nonsense. Your made-up hypothetical crap does not mean anything to anybody. Is this Single Bullet Theory the lynchpin of your whole ridiculous conspiracy theory? Is that why you pretend
these opinions of yours have some kind of merit, and they are just unfounded opinions.
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In looking over his right shoulder, JBC would naturally lean back a little and that would increase the downward angle of the bullet through his body. I would bet that Shaw's description was just an estimate. What are the chances it would actually be 45 degrees.
Michael T. Griffith:
The replies from WC defenders amount to this position:
"Never mind that no bullet fired from the sixth-floor window could have hit JFK's back at an upward angle and then passed through his neck at an upward angle. Never mind that this means no bullet from the sixth-floor window could have exited JFK's throat at a downward angle, much less at a 25-degree downward angle. Never mind that we therefore cannot get a bullet from JFK's throat to Connally's back in the first place, unless we're willing to rule out the sixth-floor window as the source of the shot. Just never mind these facts.
"We will continue to excuse ourselves from credibly dealing with these facts until you provide us with a non-SBT trajectory through Connally -- and the trajectory has to be one that we are willing to accept, but of course we will never accept any such trajectory because that would raise further doubt about the SBT.
"Moreover, we will continue to refuse to acknowledge the self-evident implications of the hard physical evidence of JFK's clothing, specifically, the fact that JFK's tie, including the tie knot, had no bullet hole through it, and that the nick on the tie knot was not on the edge of the knot but was visibly inward from the edge, because acknowledging the import of these facts would mean admitting that no bullet exited the throat. In the case of the SBT, we judge fact by theory, not the other way around."
We should keep in mind that the HSCA FPP's SBT does not merely require that JFK's head was tilted substantially forward but that his upper torso was tilted substantially forward as well, as Dr. Baden was nice enough to demonstrate.
As many here know, I am by no means the first researcher to note that the HSCA FPP's SBT is actually fatal to the SBT because no photo or footage shows JFK leaning so far forward during the SBT's timeframe. By acknowledging that the WC placed the back wound at least 2.5 inches too high and that the bullet hit and tunneled at an upward angle, the FPP actually destroyed the SBT. Dr. Wecht repeatedly made this point in his presentations on the SBT.
As I documented in a previous reply, both the NOVA and the Dale Myers SBT trajectory animations have JFK's upper torso virtually upright and have his head either upright (NOVA) or tilted only slightly forward (Myers), and they have the bullet traveling a downward path from the back wound to the throat wound.
And, of course, Lattimer's bogus SBT diagrams, which continue to be used by many WC apologists to this very day, show JFK sitting upright with his head upright, place the back wound visibly above the throat wound, show the bullet traveling downward through the neck, and show the bullet exiting the neck at a downward angle of at least 20 degrees.
No WC apologist has yet produced an SBT trajectory illustration that takes into account the forensic facts pointed out by the HSCA FPP regarding the back wound's upward trajectory, the upward trajectory through the neck, and the pronounced forward lean required to make that trajectory align with the sixth-floor window.
Indeed, even the NASA expert whom the HSCA hired to do their headshot and SBT trajectory analyses, Dr. Thomas Canning, simply ignored the HSCA FPP's diagram showing JFK's forward lean (7 HSCA 100, Figure 12) and instead showed JFK sitting virtually upright with his head virtually upright as well (2 HSCA 177, JFK Exhibit F-142). Incredibly, Canning also impossibly showed the back wound above the throat wound and showed the bullet exiting at a point visibly below JFK's throat wound.
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on September 13, 2026, 09:07:46 PM ---[...]
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Dear Comrade Griffith,
Are you a KGB agent?
You sound like a KGB agent.
-- Tom
John Corbett:
--- Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on September 13, 2026, 09:07:46 PM ---The replies from WC defenders amount to this position:
"Never mind that no bullet fired from the sixth-floor window could have hit JFK's back at an upward angle and then passed through his neck at an upward angle. Never mind that this means no bullet from the sixth-floor window could have exited JFK's throat at a downward angle, much less at a 25-degree downward angle. Never mind that we therefore cannot get a bullet from JFK's throat to Connally's back in the first place, unless we're willing to rule out the sixth-floor window as the source of the shot. Just never mind these facts.
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Another of your FUBAR premises for which you are so well known. No bullet hit JFK in the back on an upward angle. If you think so, tell us where it could have been fired from that made sense.
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"We will continue to excuse ourselves from credibly dealing with these facts until you provide us with a non-SBT trajectory through Connally -- and the trajectory has to be one that we are willing to accept, but of course we will never accept any such trajectory because that would raise further doubt about the SBT.
"Moreover, we will continue to refuse to acknowledge the self-evident implications of the hard physical evidence of JFK's clothing, specifically, the fact that JFK's tie, including the tie knot, had no bullet hole through it, and that the nick on the tie knot was not on the edge of the knot but was visibly inward from the edge, because acknowledging the import of these facts would mean admitting that no bullet exited the throat. In the case of the SBT, we judge fact by theory, not the other way around."[/font]
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In addition to your faulty premises, you seem to thrive on refuting strawman arguments that no one has made. It's a lot easier than dealing with things people have actually said in defense of the WCR.
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We should keep in mind that the HSCA FPP's SBT does not merely require that JFK's head was tilted substantially forward but that his upper torso was tilted substantially forward as well, as Dr. Baden was nice enough to demonstrate.
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Another of MGT's traits is on display here, conflating two separate issues. The SBT had nothing to do with the head shot.
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As many here know, I am by no means the first researcher to note that the HSCA FPP's SBT is actually fatal to the SBT because no photo or footage shows JFK leaning so far forward during the SBT's timeframe. By acknowledging that the WC placed the back wound at least 2.5 inches too high and that the bullet hit and tunneled at an upward angle, the FPP actually destroyed the SBT. Dr. Wecht repeatedly made this point in his presentations on the SBT.
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You seem to know a lot of things that just ain't so.
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As I documented in a previous reply, both the NOVA and the Dale Myers SBT trajectory animations have JFK's upper torso virtually upright and have his head either upright (NOVA) or tilted only slightly forward (Myers), and they have the bullet traveling a downward path from the back wound to the throat wound.
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Yes they do and they show the SBT works when JFK and JBC are positioned correctly.
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And, of course, Lattimer's bogus SBT diagrams, which continue to be used by many WC apologists to this very day, show JFK sitting upright with his head upright, place the back wound visibly above the throat wound, show the bullet traveling downward through the neck, and show the bullet exiting the neck at a downward angle of at least 20 degrees.
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I've never seen Lattimer's diagrams so I can't speak to their validity. I do know that I'm not going to take your word on what he has said.
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No WC apologist has yet produced an SBT trajectory illustration that takes into account the forensic facts pointed out by the HSCA FPP regarding the back wound's upward trajectory, the upward trajectory through the neck, and the pronounced forward lean required to make that trajectory align with the sixth-floor window.
Indeed, even the NASA expert whom the HSCA hired to do their headshot and SBT trajectory analyses, Dr. Thomas Canning, simply ignored the HSCA FPP's diagram showing JFK's forward lean (7 HSCA 100, Figure 12) and instead showed JFK sitting virtually upright with his head virtually upright as well (2 HSCA 177, JFK Exhibit F-142). Incredibly, Canning also impossibly showed the back wound above the throat wound and showed the bullet exiting at a point visibly below JFK's throat wound.
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Misconceptions are not facts whether they are yours or the HSCA's. The HSCA got lot's of things wrong, including their conclusion of a probable fourth shot and a conspiracy to kill JFK. WC defenders are not obligated to also defend the HSCA.
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