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Online John Corbett

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An example of MTG's thought process
« on: Yesterday at 05:36:28 PM »
In researching regarding another issue, I stumbled across this contribution from MTG on Spartacus Educational.

"The lone-gunman shooting scenario now requires that the supposed single assassin completely missed, not just Kennedy, but the entire huge presidential limousine with his first and closest shot. This is the only way to expand the alleged lone gunman's firing tie to over 8 seconds, since there is now wide agreement that a shot was fired before the limousine passed beneath the oak tree. I can't imagine how even a mediocre rifleman could have missed the entire limousine from less than 140 feet away and from 60 feet up. Even the WC labeled the first-shot-miss scenario an "improbability." The limousine would have presented a target that was over 120 square feet in size. Can anyone fathom completely missing a target that size from less than 140 feet away, especially on the first and closest shot?"

Yes, that would have been a ridiculously bad miss if Oswald's intended target was the limousine. Does MTG think Oswald was trying to shoot the limousine? It makes about as much sense to point out that he also completely missed the press bus and he completely missed the overpass. Those were even bigger targets than the limousine.
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Online Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: An example of MTG's thought process
« Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 06:00:16 PM »
In researching regarding another issue, I stumbled across this contribution from MTG on Spartacus Educational.

"The lone-gunman shooting scenario now requires that the supposed single assassin completely missed, not just Kennedy, but the entire huge presidential limousine with his first and closest shot. This is the only way to expand the alleged lone gunman's firing tie to over 8 seconds, since there is now wide agreement that a shot was fired before the limousine passed beneath the oak tree. I can't imagine how even a mediocre rifleman could have missed the entire limousine from less than 140 feet away and from 60 feet up. Even the WC labeled the first-shot-miss scenario an "improbability." The limousine would have presented a target that was over 120 square feet in size. Can anyone fathom completely missing a target that size from less than 140 feet away, especially on the first and closest shot?"

Yes, that would have been a ridiculously bad miss if Oswald's intended target was the limousine. Does MTG think Oswald was trying to shoot the limousine? It makes about as much sense to point out that he also completely missed the press bus and he completely missed the overpass. Those were even bigger targets than the limousine.
His point, one made by others, is that if the shooter missed hitting JFK then why did he miss everything? Including the limo? Where did the missed shot end up? At that short distance any missed shot aimed at JFK should have landed somewhere in the limo, caused some damage.

There are lots of examples of MTG getting things completely wrong on many issues (he misrepresents what the HSCA concluded); this is not one of them.




Online John Corbett

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Re: An example of MTG's thought process
« Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 06:23:03 PM »
His point, one made by others, is that if the shooter missed hitting JFK then why did he miss everything? Including the limo? Where did the missed shot end up? At that short distance any missed shot aimed at JFK should have landed somewhere in the limo, caused some damage.

There are lots of examples of MTG getting things completely wrong on many issues (he misrepresents what the HSCA concluded); this is not one of them.

That line of reasoning ignores the possibility/probability that the shot missed to the right of JFK which would mean it would miss the limo as well since JFK was as far right as he could possibly be in the limo. Footage of the limo leaving Love Field shows his arm hanging down outside the right side of the limo. In the Zapruder film, his right elbow is resting on the right side of the limo until the moment he was first shot.

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Re: An example of MTG's thought process
« Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 09:39:24 PM »
I see no need to reply to John Corbett's latest juvenile, lame attempt to single me out for criticism, given the fact that (1) I've already answered his ridiculous misrepresentation of my argument on the supposed lone gunman's alleged missed shot, (2) he has proven he is unable to comprehend English at a high-school level, and (3) (related to #2) he has been caught making hilarious, inexcusable gaffes that by themselves prove he has no business talking about the JFK case in a public forum.

There are lots of examples of MTG getting things completely wrong on many issues

No, there are not.

(he misrepresents what the HSCA concluded); this is not one of them.

No, I do not misrepresent what the HSCA concluded. You do.
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Online John Corbett

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Re: An example of MTG's thought process
« Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 10:26:02 PM »
I see no need to reply to John Corbett's latest juvenile, lame attempt to single me out for criticism, given the fact that (1) I've already answered his ridiculous misrepresentation of my argument on the supposed lone gunman's alleged missed shot,

The old reliable "I've-already-answered-that" dodge. How many times have we seen that?

Whether you choose to acknowledge it or not, your argument that Oswald completely missed the huge limo is a ludicrous one, given that he wasn't trying to shoot the limo. How could he miss something he wasn't even aiming at? Your argument that Oswald was a poor marksman because he couldn't hit target of 120 square feet from 140 is pretty damn silly, but then so are most of the arguments you make.

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Re: An example of MTG's thought process
« Reply #5 on: Today at 02:05:59 AM »
MTG raises a reasonable question.

In the WC-SBT-LNT-HSCA narrative, LHO's first shot missed not only JFK, but the entire limo, despite the fact LHO's  angle was down into the limo, and the limo was closer.

Then somehow that missed shot, despite a relatively steep angle, somehow fractured the FMJ and the lead core squirted out and struck the curb by the relatively distant Tague, with enough force to send concrete up into Tague's face to deliver visible cuts. 

I have reasonable doubts about the above scenario.

Tague was unsure of when he was struck.

The HSCA, the second official investigation, concluded there had been a gunsel on the GK.

It may the the GK gunsel knew he had little chance of accurately shooting at JFK with a snubnose .38, and only acted as a diversion. He shot in front of the limo by a wide margin, and towards an area did not not observe bystanders (although he was hurried and did not see Tague). 

The diversion worked well, splitting up manpower, and allowing LHO and another perp to more easily leave the TSBD.


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Re: An example of MTG's thought process
« Reply #6 on: Today at 02:09:01 AM »
MTG raises a reasonable question.

In the WC-SBT-LNT-HSCA narrative, LHO's first shot missed not only JFK, but the entire limo, despite the fact LHO's  angle was down into the limo, and the limo was closer.

Then somehow that missed shot, despite a relatively steep angle, somehow fractured the FMJ and the lead core squirted out and struck the curb by the relatively distant Tague, with enough force to send concrete up into Tague's face to deliver visible cuts. 

I have reasonable doubts about the above scenario.

Tague was unsure of when he was struck.

The HSCA, the second official investigation, concluded there had been a gunsel on the GK.

It may the the GK gunsel knew he had little chance of accurately shooting at JFK with a snubnose .38, and only acted as a diversion. He shot in front of the limo by a wide margin, and towards an area did not not observe bystanders (although he was hurried and did not see Tague). 

The diversion worked well, splitting up manpower, and allowing LHO and another perp to more easily leave the TSBD.

I have reasonable doubts about you, dude.