How Do LNers Deal With Givens?

[Dan O'meara]

I listed specific items your narrative doesn't even begin to explain, and your one sentence reply provides no details on how your imagined conspirators accomplished the other items. The sad part is that you're not bright enough to understand that.

That's right.
After I had neatly dealt with your challenge you started panicking and throwing in a load more items that weren't in the original challenge.
Now, getting back to the topic of this thread.
You've been challenged by me. It's a far more simple challenge.
You've pretended not to notice it because you're a bit devious like that.
I faced your challenge head on -  do you have the character and backbone to face mine?

Remember - your answer must be Common Sense, it must be Rational.

[Tim Nickerson]

I'm really surprised at you, Tim, for posting such utter nonsense.
Finding Oswald's rifle on the 6th floor DOES NOT place Oswald at the SN window at 12:30
Because Oswald had no alibi at the time of the shooting DOES NOT place him at the SN window at 12:30
Finding Oswald's prints on boxes in the SN DOES NOT place at the SN window at 12:30

There is no piece of evidence - NONE - that places Oswald at the SN window at 12:30
Your interpretation of these select pieces of evidence is that Oswald was the shooter - that's your interpretation of these particular pieces of evidence.
And your assumption is that if Oswald was the shooter, then he was at the SN window at 12:30pm.
It's a theory, Tim, and nothing more.
You never struck me as a true Nutter, in the mould of Corbett or Smith, but it appears you may well be.

I haven't been posting nonsense here. You have.

Oswald's rifle being the assassination weapon, together with the fact that he had no alibi for the time of the shooting, places him in the SN at 12:30pm.

[John Corbett]

That's right.
After I had neatly dealt with your challenge you started panicking and throwing in a load more items that weren't in the original challenge.
Now, getting back to the topic of this thread.
You've been challenged by me. It's a far more simple challenge.
You've pretended not to notice it because you're a bit devious like that.
I faced your challenge head on -  do you have the character and backbone to face mine?

Remember - your answer must be Common Sense, it must be Rational.

I doubt you and Common Sense have ever crossed paths.

[Dan O'meara]

I doubt you and Common Sense have ever crossed paths.

I didn't think for a second you had the backbone to engage in any kind of genuine debate.
And you are right to run along, it wasn't going to work out well for you.

[John Corbett]

I didn't think for a second you had the backbone to engage in any kind of genuine debate.
And you are right to run along, it wasn't going to work out well for you.

 “Never argue with an idiot; they will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

I must credit the late, great George Carlin for that line.

[Dan O'meara]

“Never argue with an idiot; they will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

I must credit the late, great George Carlin for that line.

If you argued with an idiot they would have to drag you up to their level.

[Zeon Mason]

The only way that Givens story would make any sense at all is if Arnold Rowland made up his pre event sighting of a man at the SE window 6th floor TSBD.

Because if Oswald was originally planning to shoot from SW window , he would not have been at the SE preparing the SE window 3 stacked boxes when Givens saw him at about 11:55.

So the 3 boxes would have to been placed only after Oswald had gone to SW window at 12:15 and saw Bonnie Ray Williams which prompted Oswald to quickly retreat from the SW window.

I have a viable scenario  for Oswald as the 6th floor shooter only if I can have some variation of timing allowed for Mrs Garner, Carolyn Arnold, and allowance for the 2nd half of Arnold Rowlands story of sighting the “elderly black man” at SW window at 12:15 as being a post event mistaken memory of seeing Harold Norman with dust in his hair.

Also I need a minute or more for the Bronson film starting at 12:26 or 12:27 rather than 12:25. I think is possible because it’s not CERTAIN that the Bronson film begins at 12:25.

Then the shooting sequence I use is Dans Z223 1st shot hit , Z313 2nd shot hit and 3rd shot 2.5 secs after Z313 as a “celebration” or “exclamation” shot fired unaimed because Oswald was a Kook. This fits with the 1….2.3 pattern , is about only 6.5 sec for all 3 shots with fits close enough to Harold Norman’s 4-5 sec recall as well as the general witness perception of 3 shots fired rapidly.