Determining a Timestamp for Darnell

[Steve Barber]

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Gloria Calvery and her dressed-in-white colleague are already standing in a lower step, one of their other colleagues has already taken the long way to the TSBD by running through the pergola and down Elm Street Extension, and Officer Baker has already parked his bike, glanced around, listened to his radio, and run to the front steps by the time Darnell's so-called "opening frame" was shot.

-- Tom

Tom,

 The Darnell frame that Dan has posted is, in fact, the opening frame of the aftermath of the assassination.  Baker et.al have not been recorded by Darnell yet at this point.

[Royell Storing]

Altgens 8 captures the moment Zapruder and Sitzman have just got off the pedestal and are walking away from it.
The Hesters are seen on the grass.
Why can't Zapruder and Sitzman be seen walking away in Weigman?

Look again at the synchronisation JFK Theorist did of the Zaspruder and Weigman footage. Also, look at the synchronisation I did between these two films earlier in this thread which closely parallels the work done by JFK Theorist. You will notice that as Weigman runs towards the Hesters the Zapruder film is still running meaning Zapruder is still filming meaning that Zapruder and Sitzman are still on the pedestal as Weigman runs towards the Hesters.
That's why you can't see them walking away in Weigman.
As Weigman reaches the spot where he starts filming the Hesters, Zapruder and Sitzman get down from the pedestal.
Altgens8 is taken at the same moment. It is taken a brief moment before Weigmam has the Hesters centred and stable in his footage. Mr Hester immediately gets up and runs into the pergola.

   On a good copy of the Wiegman Film, (good being relative to the early Wiegman Film Copies), you can see the Pedestal, the Top of the Pedestal, and the concrete that we see Zapruder and Sitzman walking atop on Altgens 8. There is No Zapruder & No Sitzman in any of these areas on the Wiegman Film. Same goes for the Empty Shelter behind the pedestal. Zapruder and Sitzman are not on these Wiegman Film frames that show these areas. There's a couple of these frames when Wiegman was still physically on Elm St, and 2-3 good frames when Wiegman had physically moved onto the Knoll. This is before Wiegman filmed the Hesters. One of the guys that was wearing a shirt/jacket with the white trim that encircled the shoulder, is also filmed on the knoll. I believe this is 1 of the 2 guys we see on the Bell Film near/inside the shelter behind the Bench. (Time Stamp). The absence of Zapruder and Sitzman on these Wiegman Frames calls the current timeline assigned to the Wiegman Film into question. The same goes for the Bell Film timeline being Wrong. The Bell Film shows 2 guys wearing shirts with the shoulder trim inside the shelter behind the Bench.
   During the Josiah Thompson interview of Sitzman for "Six Seconds In Dallas", Sitzman said that the 1st thing she did after getting down from the Pedestal was to go down to the bottom of the Knoll to see what was going on. (paraphrasing). She said she talked with who she thought was a SS Agent down there. She then returned to the top of the knoll. Maybe Sitzman being at the bottom, or in the process of reaching the bottom of the Knoll, explains her absence from the Wiegman Film? Zapruder's absence? I don't know.   

[Dan O'meara]

   On a good copy of the Wiegman Film, (good being relative to the early Wiegman Film Copies), you can see the Pedestal, the Top of the Pedestal, and the concrete that we see Zapruder and Sitzman walking atop on Altgens 8. There is No Zapruder & No Sitzman in any of these areas on the Wiegman Film. Same goes for the Empty Shelter behind the pedestal. Zapruder and Sitzman are not on these Wiegman Film frames that show these areas. There's a couple of these frames when Wiegman was still physically on Elm St, and 2-3 good frames when Wiegman had physically moved onto the Knoll. This is before Wiegman filmed the Hesters. One of the guys that was wearing a shirt/jacket with the white trim that encircled the shoulder, is also filmed on the knoll. I believe this is 1 of the 2 guys we see on the Bell Film near/inside the shelter behind the Bench. (Time Stamp). The absence of Zapruder and Sitzman on these Wiegman Frames calls the current timeline assigned to the Wiegman Film into question. The same goes for the Bell Film timeline being Wrong. The Bell Film shows 2 guys wearing shirts with the shoulder trim inside the shelter behind the Bench.
   During the Josiah Thompson interview of Sitzman for "Six Seconds In Dallas", Sitzman said that the 1st thing she did after getting down from the Pedestal was to go down to the bottom of the Knoll to see what was going on. (paraphrasing). She said she talked with who she thought was a SS Agent down there. She then returned to the top of the knoll. Maybe Sitzman being at the bottom, or in the process of reaching the bottom of the Knoll, explains her absence from the Wiegman Film? Zapruder's absence? I don't know.

From even the best copy of Weigman I can find and the best frame I can find, it's impossible to say whether or not Zapruder and Sitzman are on top of the pedestal. Zapruder is a black smudge against a black background and the footage is blurred and grainy.
To assert that all the film/photograph has been altered because you can't make out Zapruder in such poor quality footage is unrealistic.
If I come across better quality footage that shows, without question, that Zapruder is not on the pedestal during the Weigman footage I will concede something is seriously wrong. But I'm not anywhere near that.

Remind me again why you believe all the footage has been altered.

[Royell Storing]

From even the best copy of Weigman I can find and the best frame I can find, it's impossible to say whether or not Zapruder and Sitzman are on top of the pedestal. Zapruder is a black smudge against a black background and the footage is blurred and grainy.
To assert that all the film/photograph has been altered because you can't make out Zapruder in such poor quality footage is unrealistic.
If I come across better quality footage that shows, without question, that Zapruder is not on the pedestal during the Weigman footage I will concede something is seriously wrong. But I'm not anywhere near that.

Remind me again why you believe all the footage has been altered.

     I am challenging the Wiegman Film "TIME LINE". You immediately have knee jerked to alleging that I have claimed, ".... all the footage has been altered". This is simply Not  True.
     I am using the Wiegman Film copy on the Discovery Channel DVD, "Unsolved History JFK, Death in Dealey Plaza". Specifically, what Wiegman Film copy are you examining?   

[Tom Graves]

[Royell Storing], remind me again why you believe all the footage has been altered.

Because Dan Rather, who got to watch the confusing Zapruder film on 11/25/63 only one time (and who, understandingly, didn't take notes while doing so), ran back to the broadcasting studio as fast as he could and proceeded to tell the whole nation that it showed (among other mistakes) "the limousine turning onto Elm Street."

LOL!

[Dan O'meara]

     I am challenging the Wiegman Film "TIME LINE". You immediately have knee jerked to alleging that I have claimed, ".... all the footage has been altered". This is simply Not  True.
     I am using the Wiegman Film copy on the Discovery Channel DVD, "Unsolved History JFK, Death in Dealey Plaza". Specifically, what Wiegman Film copy are you examining?   

I'm using the Weigman version at the JFK Theorist.
Just to clarify:
1] You accept Altgens 8 shows the Hesters both lying on the grass while Zapruder and Sitzman are by the pedestal.
2] The Bell footage showing only Mrs Hester on the grass and her husband hiding out in the pergola while Zapruder and Sitzman are still moving about by the pedsestal.

The Weigman footage shows the moment Charles Hester gets up and moves to the pergola, heroically abandoning his wife.
The Weigman footage captures the moment that connects point #1 to point #2.
Are you suggesting Zapruder and Sitzman disappear between after point 1 (Altgens and reappear at point 2 (Bell)?
Or is it more plausible that, as Weigman runs towards the Hesters, Zapruder and Sitzman are still on top of the pedestal but the footage is too poor to pick them out?
We know Zapruder and Sitzman were still on top of the pedestal while Weigman was running towards the Hesters from the synchronisations provided by the JFK Theorist and me in this thread.
So - can you accept that the Weigman footage is too poor quality to show Zapruder and Sitzman still on the pedestal as Weigman runs towards the Hesters?

If you can provide a version of Weigman that clearly shows Zapruder and Sitzman are NOT on top of the pedestal while Weigman is running towards the Hesters then I will gladly concede that something suspicious is happening.