Determining a Timestamp for Darnell

[Royell Storing]

Just so I've got this right in my mind - you've abandoned your claim that the Bell film shows Weigman running towards Zapruder. You now agree with my identification of Weigman in the Bell film. You don't believe the Bell film shows the position from which Weigman filmed the Hesters.
Am I correct so far?

  (1) I believe that Wiegman is generally running (W) towards Zapruder. You do see Zapruder and Wiegman both in the same Bell frames?
  (2) I have always known that this is Wiegman on the Bell Film. His Hat is a dead giveaway.
  (3) I believe that Wiegman's position while filming the Hester's was just to the (E) of where we see him falling to the ground on the Bell still frame you posted. I believe while standing, Wiegman filmed the Hesters, then turned to his (L), and then started to move (W) across the Knoll. Wiegman immediately stumbled and fell or maybe dove to the ground.   

[Dan O'meara]

  (1) I believe that Wiegman is generally running (W) towards Zapruder. You do see Zapruder and Wiegman both in the same Bell frames?
  (2) I have always known that this is Wiegman on the Bell Film. His Hat is a dead giveaway.
  (3) I believe that Wiegman's position while filming the Hester's was just to the (E) of where we see him falling to the ground on the Bell still frame you posted. I believe while standing, Wiegman filmed the Hesters, then turned to his (L), and then started to move (W) across the Knoll. Wiegman immediately stumbled and fell or maybe dove to the ground.

This is soooo painful...
Previously you posted this - The Bell Film shows Wiegman running across the stairs/directly toward Zapruder.
Do you stand by this claim, that in the Bell film we can see Weigman running across the stairs toward Zapruder? Or is this something that you've made up?
Is it something you are imagining but isn't shown in the Bell film.

I'll make this easy - At any point in the Bell film do we see Weigman running?

Do you know what...just forget it...the Bell film does not show Weigman running towards Zapruder, it never did. You just made it up. Weigman stays in exactly the same spot until the film cuts and he is down by the Newmans. Why you would claim the Bell film shows him running is a complete mystery to me. I literally have no idea why you would make such a claim. But now you are trying to backtrack on it...kind of...maybe.

Your story about Weigman standing up while he filmed the Hesters and then fell over is just a fantasy you have invented. There is not a single scrap of evidence to support this made up scenario. I have no idea why you have invented this scenario. I just don't get it. I honestly don't understand why you can't just accept the obvious - the Weigman footage of the Hesters shows us it was filmed at floor level, the Bell footage shows us Weigman filming the Hesters at floor level.
Why isn't the obvious interpretation of the evidence acceptable?
Why invent pointless details?
The steps are only a few inches high...if Weigman was stood up filming the footage would be from a stood up position. But it clearly isn't......................

.....it doesn't matter.

[Royell Storing]

This is soooo painful...
Previously you posted this - The Bell Film shows Wiegman running across the stairs/directly toward Zapruder.
Do you stand by this claim, that in the Bell film we can see Weigman running across the stairs toward Zapruder? Or is this something that you've made up?
Is it something you are imagining but isn't shown in the Bell film.

I'll make this easy - At any point in the Bell film do we see Weigman running?

Do you know what...just forget it...the Bell film does not show Weigman running towards Zapruder, it never did. You just made it up. Weigman stays in exactly the same spot until the film cuts and he is down by the Newmans. Why you would claim the Bell film shows him running is a complete mystery to me. I literally have no idea why you would make such a claim. But now you are trying to backtrack on it...kind of...maybe.

Your story about Weigman standing up while he filmed the Hesters and then fell over is just a fantasy you have invented. There is not a single scrap of evidence to support this made up scenario. I have no idea why you have invented this scenario. I just don't get it. I honestly don't understand why you can't just accept the obvious - the Weigman footage of the Hesters shows us it was filmed at floor level, the Bell footage shows us Weigman filming the Hesters at floor level.
Why isn't the obvious interpretation of the evidence acceptable?
Why invent pointless details?
The steps are only a few inches high...if Weigman was stood up filming the footage would be from a stood up position. But it clearly isn't......................

.....it doesn't matter.

                                                       ............. Since the above does Not matter to you ..................

           Are you using the YOU TUBE "Uncropped" Bothun Photo to help with your time stamping? I find the position of Altgens coming down the knoll toward Elm St and Wiegman having finished filming the Newman Family and now being physically down on the sidewalk filming Officer Haygood, to be important factors with respect to determining the Tick/Tock. Same goes for the Chism Family now being in position to begin their run across the Knoll. Trask "Pictures Of The Pain" gives this Bothun Photo a roughly "30 Seconds" after the kill shot time stamp. 

[Matt Brooks]

Here's the actual first frame from the Darnell film, taken from my lossless Youtube download and not a lazy Youtube screenshot



and NO the Bell Film does NOT SHOW WIEGMAN RUNNING, it shows a walking camera man at the bottom but not him running.
This is taken from a high quality 1080p version without the watermark.

[Royell Storing]

Here's the actual first frame from the Darnell film, taken from my lossless Youtube download and not a lazy Youtube screenshot



and NO the Bell Film does NOT SHOW WIEGMAN RUNNING, it shows a walking camera man at the bottom but not him running.
This is taken from a high quality 1080p version without the watermark.

   Thanks for posting the above Bell Film still frame.
    If you look at the frames leading up to this still frame and the frames following it, you will see that the upper body of Wiegman is getting closer to the ground at the end of these frames. Why? Because Wiegman is falling to the ground. If you think of Wiegman as being a Football Running Back, he mirrors a ball carrier falling Forward to the ground. Instead of firmly holding a Football to his chest, Wiegman is instead holding his camera to his chest.
   Wiegman filmed the Newman Family at the bottom of the Knoll. The Newman Family were on the ground (W) of the Street Light Post. (To the (L) of the Street Light Post). In order for Wiegman to be standing next to the Newman Family and film them, he had to of moved (W) from where we see him on the above Bell still frame. This is what Wiegman was beginning to do when he stumbled and fell to the ground. He had to of gotten UP, and then continued moving (W) across the Knoll, in order to then go Down the knoll and end up standing next to the Newman Family. The Couch Film shows Wiegman moving almost STRAIGHT DOWN the Knoll. Wiegman had to of moved (W) from where we see him on this Bell still frame in order to arrive at the bottom of the Knoll and then be standing next to the Newman Family.

[John Corbett]

I think the reason some people have such a difficult time figuring out something as simple as the JFKA is because they obsess over irrelevancies such as this. They look for significance in the most insignificant things.

[Royell Storing]

I think the reason some people have such a difficult time figuring out something as simple as the JFKA is because they obsess over irrelevancies such as this. They look for significance in the most insignificant things.

   The importance of the Wiegman movements is his movements consume time. O'meara is working on a timeline concerning the Darnell Film. Couch and Darnell were both riding inside Camera Car #3. That opening frame of the Darnell Film shows the 3 camera cars being at a dead STOP. The driver of Camera Car #2 is filmed standing outside of the car. This would be in reaction to an extended STOP. Then we see Officer Baker running across the Island and toward the TSBD. This extended stopping of the camera cars impacts the accepted Officer Baker Tick/Tock.
    The same goes for Couch filming Wiegman running down the knoll. Wiegman falling down at the top of the Knoll, before he ran (W) across and then down the knoll, is yet another Tick/Tock issue