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Determining a Timestamp for Darnell
Steve Barber:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on September 04, 2026, 01:40:06 AM --- OK. The timestamp for the Bothun Photo is :30 seconds after the kill shot. Yet, we see Motorcycle Officer Hargis beginning to ride away. Considering everything that Hargis did, that :30 seems very quick for him to be riding away.
Also, that photo shows almost all of the Hargis motorcycle windshield. A detailed look at that windshield should reveal a lot of blood/brain matter on it. Hargis stopped his motorcycle quickly after the kill shot. Whatever was on that windshield should have remained "as is" on the Bothun Photo.
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Hi Royell,
This William Allen photo shows Hargis' motorcycle parked in front of and to the side of the TSBD. His motorcycle number was 347. That's DPD officer Harkness looking at the front area of the motorcycle, with his hand holding the handle bar and probably Hargis to his right talking with Harkness. You can see a white helmet right next to Harkness' own helmet. They're probably discussing the head matter, some of which I think can be seen on the windshield, but it may just be reflections. Too bad there aren't more photos closer up.
Steve Barber:
--- Quote from: Matt Brooks on September 03, 2026, 06:57:15 PM ---Here's the actual first frame from the Darnell film, taken from my lossless Youtube download and not a lazy Youtube screenshot
and NO the Bell Film does NOT SHOW WIEGMAN RUNNING, it shows a walking camera man at the bottom but not him running.
This is taken from a high quality 1080p version without the watermark.
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Hi Matt, This Bell frame is the clearest version of the film I think I've ever seen, clearer than the 6th floor museum's released copy (which doesn't include the entire frames right side as well as all of the sprocket area, sadly).
Steve Barber:
--- Quote from: Tom Graves on August 16, 2026, 01:49:11 AM ---Dear danny BOY o'meara,
Gloria Calvery and her dressed-in-white colleague are already standing in a lower step, one of their other colleagues has already taken the long way to the TSBD by running through the pergola and down Elm Street Extension, and Officer Baker has already parked his bike, glanced around, listened to his radio, and run to the front steps by the time Darnell's so-called "opening frame" was shot.
-- Tom
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Tom,
The Darnell frame that Dan has posted is, in fact, the opening frame of the aftermath of the assassination. Baker et.al have not been recorded by Darnell yet at this point.
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Dan O'meara on September 10, 2026, 10:51:07 PM ---
Altgens 8 captures the moment Zapruder and Sitzman have just got off the pedestal and are walking away from it.
The Hesters are seen on the grass.
Why can't Zapruder and Sitzman be seen walking away in Weigman?
Look again at the synchronisation JFK Theorist did of the Zaspruder and Weigman footage. Also, look at the synchronisation I did between these two films earlier in this thread which closely parallels the work done by JFK Theorist. You will notice that as Weigman runs towards the Hesters the Zapruder film is still running meaning Zapruder is still filming meaning that Zapruder and Sitzman are still on the pedestal as Weigman runs towards the Hesters.
That's why you can't see them walking away in Weigman.
As Weigman reaches the spot where he starts filming the Hesters, Zapruder and Sitzman get down from the pedestal.
Altgens8 is taken at the same moment. It is taken a brief moment before Weigmam has the Hesters centred and stable in his footage. Mr Hester immediately gets up and runs into the pergola.
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On a good copy of the Wiegman Film, (good being relative to the early Wiegman Film Copies), you can see the Pedestal, the Top of the Pedestal, and the concrete that we see Zapruder and Sitzman walking atop on Altgens 8. There is No Zapruder & No Sitzman in any of these areas on the Wiegman Film. Same goes for the Empty Shelter behind the pedestal. Zapruder and Sitzman are not on these Wiegman Film frames that show these areas. There's a couple of these frames when Wiegman was still physically on Elm St, and 2-3 good frames when Wiegman had physically moved onto the Knoll. This is before Wiegman filmed the Hesters. One of the guys that was wearing a shirt/jacket with the white trim that encircled the shoulder, is also filmed on the knoll. I believe this is 1 of the 2 guys we see on the Bell Film near/inside the shelter behind the Bench. (Time Stamp). The absence of Zapruder and Sitzman on these Wiegman Frames calls the current timeline assigned to the Wiegman Film into question. The same goes for the Bell Film timeline being Wrong. The Bell Film shows 2 guys wearing shirts with the shoulder trim inside the shelter behind the Bench.
During the Josiah Thompson interview of Sitzman for "Six Seconds In Dallas", Sitzman said that the 1st thing she did after getting down from the Pedestal was to go down to the bottom of the Knoll to see what was going on. (paraphrasing). She said she talked with who she thought was a SS Agent down there. She then returned to the top of the knoll. Maybe Sitzman being at the bottom, or in the process of reaching the bottom of the Knoll, explains her absence from the Wiegman Film? Zapruder's absence? I don't know.
Dan O'meara:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on September 11, 2026, 01:04:48 AM --- On a good copy of the Wiegman Film, (good being relative to the early Wiegman Film Copies), you can see the Pedestal, the Top of the Pedestal, and the concrete that we see Zapruder and Sitzman walking atop on Altgens 8. There is No Zapruder & No Sitzman in any of these areas on the Wiegman Film. Same goes for the Empty Shelter behind the pedestal. Zapruder and Sitzman are not on these Wiegman Film frames that show these areas. There's a couple of these frames when Wiegman was still physically on Elm St, and 2-3 good frames when Wiegman had physically moved onto the Knoll. This is before Wiegman filmed the Hesters. One of the guys that was wearing a shirt/jacket with the white trim that encircled the shoulder, is also filmed on the knoll. I believe this is 1 of the 2 guys we see on the Bell Film near/inside the shelter behind the Bench. (Time Stamp). The absence of Zapruder and Sitzman on these Wiegman Frames calls the current timeline assigned to the Wiegman Film into question. The same goes for the Bell Film timeline being Wrong. The Bell Film shows 2 guys wearing shirts with the shoulder trim inside the shelter behind the Bench.
During the Josiah Thompson interview of Sitzman for "Six Seconds In Dallas", Sitzman said that the 1st thing she did after getting down from the Pedestal was to go down to the bottom of the Knoll to see what was going on. (paraphrasing). She said she talked with who she thought was a SS Agent down there. She then returned to the top of the knoll. Maybe Sitzman being at the bottom, or in the process of reaching the bottom of the Knoll, explains her absence from the Wiegman Film? Zapruder's absence? I don't know.
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From even the best copy of Weigman I can find and the best frame I can find, it's impossible to say whether or not Zapruder and Sitzman are on top of the pedestal. Zapruder is a black smudge against a black background and the footage is blurred and grainy.
To assert that all the film/photograph has been altered because you can't make out Zapruder in such poor quality footage is unrealistic.
If I come across better quality footage that shows, without question, that Zapruder is not on the pedestal during the Weigman footage I will concede something is seriously wrong. But I'm not anywhere near that.
Remind me again why you believe all the footage has been altered.
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