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Determining a Timestamp for Darnell
Dan O'meara:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on September 02, 2026, 10:36:35 PM ---
YOU TUBE
"Did The Umbrella Man Signal The Shot That Killed JFK?" By - WW2 Mememto (17:19)
From 10:38 - 11:31 = a panning sequence showing the Uncropped Bothun Photo. On the (L) it shows Motorcycle Officer Hargis riding away on his motorcycle. On the (R) it shows Motorcycle Officer Haygood just entering the photo. In between these 2 bookends, it shows the Newman family on the ground, Altgens walking DOWN the knoll toward Elm St, Wiegman filming Officer Haygood as he rides down Elm St, The Cuban and Umbrella Man sitting on the retaining wall, the Chism family beginning their sprint across the knoll, etc. This crystal clear image will assist you in your time stamping. Our Forum "photo gallery" also includes this Bothun Photo, but it is nowhere near as clear as this photo is displayed on YOU TUBE. And remember, the earlier a time stamp you apply to the Wiegman footage, the earlier you are also placing this Man walking down the sidewalk that runs from the Shelter to Elm St on the (E) side/TSBD side of the RL Thornton sign.
The image of Wiegman running toward Zapruder is on the Bell Film BEFORE the still frame you posted.
For the record, I do not believe that Wiegman was laying on the ground when he filmed the Hester's. Why would he lay down when filming? Do you know of any other time he laid down when filming that day? I also do Not believe that Wiegman ever climbed atop those steps. I believe Wiegman was Standing on the grass just in front of those steps when he filmed the Hester's. After filming the Hester's, Wiegman started moving (W) on the grass in the direction of Zapruder above and in front of him. What we are seeing on the Bell Film is Wiegman is FALLING. The Bell Film shows the Wiegman figure to be in the position of falling toward the ground. Who gets UP from the ground like we see Wiegman on the Bell Film? Nobody does. There are only 2 explanations for Wiegman's body position on the Bell Film still frame you posted. Either Wiegman is: (1) FALLING to the ground, (maybe he tripped?), or, (2) he is willfully DIVING to the ground. Wiegman did say he felt the "compression" of a bullet on his face during his segment on, "Unsolved History JFK, Death in Dealey Plaza" (2003).
With respect to the Wiegman Film being deemed "filmed continuously" for 30 yrs, we really have no idea what was being viewed on the Wiegman Film during that time period. Dating back, on this Forum, there was a letter posted from Gary Mack directly addressing this "filmed continuously" issue. And remember, NBC has steadfastly REFUSED to release their Original Wiegman Film. Same goes for NBC and their Original Darnell Film.
Your Questions
(1) The Bell Film DOES SHOW Wiegman moving (W) toward Zapruder. Your posted Bell Film still frame is too late to show this.
(2) As to estimating the time passage between the 2 images due to the "cut/jump", this is why I mentioned Wiegman being in the process of falling to the ground on the Bell Still Frame you posted. How long was Wiegman on the ground, before he got up and then ran down the Knoll to film the Newman Family? This is yet another variable that is Unknown.
(3) Yes, I agree that Wiegman did move from filming the Hester's to filming the Newman's.
That Uncropped Bothun Photo shows Officer Hargis riding away as we see Wiegman filming Officer Haygood entering the Bothun photo on the (R). Hargis gave WC Testimony that he left his motorcycle, crossed Elm St, went up to that "little wall", eyeballed the top of the Triple Underpass where he thought a shot came from, moved to the light pole, eyeballed the TSBD, and then returned to his motorcycle on the other side of Elm St. How long do you believe it took Officer Hargis to do ALL of this? And, I thought we were seeing Officer Hargis still near his motorcycle on the early frames of the Wiegman Film that show the JFK Limo going under the Triple Underpass?
Thanks again for tackling this timeline issue.
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The guy I've labelled Weigman in the Bell frames I posted is 100% Dave Weigman just after he has finished filming the Hesters. Below is a frame from Weigman's footage.The first thing to notice is how low down this shot is taken from. He is virtually on the same level as the grass. At the bottom of the frame is the concrete of the steps he is laying on.
Further proof it is Weigman is the angle of the shot in respect to the concrete pergola. The pergola structure has six columns at the front. At the time of the shooting the outward faces of two of the columns were in darkness and four of them in sunlight. In the Weigman frame below, the outward face of column A is in darkness and column B in light. Mrs Hesters head is in direct alignment with column A.
In the frame from Bell below I have labelled the same columns A and B. When we draw a line from Weigman to column A it passes through Mrs Hesters head. It is exactly the correct alignment.
I have proven that the figure in Bell is Weigman.
I have proven it with photographic evidence that cannot be disputed.
Can you post the timestamp from the Bell film you pointed me towards (JFK Theorist version) so I can see who you believe Weigman is because there is no-one running towards Zapruder in the Bell film and I can't figure out what you mean.
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Dan O'meara on September 03, 2026, 09:34:09 AM ---The guy I've labelled Weigman in the Bell frames I posted is 100% Dave Weigman just after he has finished filming the Hesters. Below is a frame from Weigman's footage.The first thing to notice is how low down this shot is taken from. He is virtually on the same level as the grass. At the bottom of the frame is the concrete of the steps he is laying on.
Further proof it is Weigman is the angle of the shot in respect to the concrete pergola. The pergola structure has six columns at the front. At the time of the shooting the outward faces of two of the columns were in darkness and four of them in sunlight. In the Weigman frame below, the outward face of column A is in darkness and column B in light. Mrs Hesters head is in direct alignment with column A.
In the frame from Bell below I have labelled the same columns A and B. When we draw a line from Weigman to column A it passes through Mrs Hesters head. It is exactly the correct alignment.
I have proven that the figure in Bell is Weigman.
I have proven it with photographic evidence that cannot be disputed.
Can you post the timestamp from the Bell film you pointed me towards (JFK Theorist version) so I can see who you believe Weigman is because there is no-one running towards Zapruder in the Bell film and I can't figure out what you mean.
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For future Wiegman ID'ing purposes, the Telltale article that sets Wiegman apart from ALL the other Photog's is his HAT. Of the photog's that jumped out of their camera cars and ran to the Knoll, Wiegman is the only one wearing a hat.
I agree that the figure we are discussing is Wiegman. In the Bell still frame that you posted, I see Wiegman positioned on the knoll grass. (He is Not physically on any of the Steps in the Bell still frame that you posted). Wiegman is facing/moving (W) toward the short wall that runs down from the Zapruder Perch. Why he was moving (W) across the Knoll, I do Not know. I believe this Bell still frame shows Wiegman to be stumbling/falling, maybe diving to the ground. The angle of Wiegman's body/arm(s) tells me this. Nobody gets up from the ground with their body in the position we see on this Bell still frame. Wiegman is Falling to the ground. I believe that Wiegman filmed the Hester's while Standing on the Knoll Grass. He was Not laying down across any of the steps between him and the Hesters. He was Not laying down on the grass. Wiegman was filming the Hesters while in a standing position on the Knoll grass. This placed him Lower than the Hesters.
Dan O'meara:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on September 03, 2026, 03:47:06 PM --- For future Wiegman ID'ing purposes, the Telltale article that sets Wiegman apart from ALL the other Photog's is his HAT. Of the photog's that jumped out of their camera cars and ran to the Knoll, Wiegman is the only one wearing a hat.
I agree that the figure we are discussing is Wiegman. In the Bell still frame that you posted, I see Wiegman positioned on the knoll grass. (He is Not physically on any of the Steps in the Bell still frame that you posted). Wiegman is facing/moving (W) toward the short wall that runs down from the Zapruder Perch. Why he was moving (W) across the Knoll, I do Not know. I believe this Bell still frame shows Wiegman to be stumbling/falling, maybe diving to the ground. The angle of Wiegman's body/arm(s) tells me this. Nobody gets up from the ground with their body in the position we see on this Bell still frame. Wiegman is Falling to the ground. I believe that Wiegman filmed the Hester's while Standing on the Knoll Grass. He was Not laying down across any of the steps between him and the Hesters. He was Not laying down on the grass. Wiegman was filming the Hesters while in a standing position on the Knoll grass. This placed him Lower than the Hesters.
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Just so I've got this right in my mind - you've abandoned your claim that the Bell film shows Weigman running towards Zapruder. You now agree with my identification of Weigman in the Bell film. You don't believe the Bell film shows the position from which Weigman filmed the Hesters.
Am I correct so far?
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Dan O'meara on September 03, 2026, 04:30:48 PM ---Just so I've got this right in my mind - you've abandoned your claim that the Bell film shows Weigman running towards Zapruder. You now agree with my identification of Weigman in the Bell film. You don't believe the Bell film shows the position from which Weigman filmed the Hesters.
Am I correct so far?
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(1) I believe that Wiegman is generally running (W) towards Zapruder. You do see Zapruder and Wiegman both in the same Bell frames?
(2) I have always known that this is Wiegman on the Bell Film. His Hat is a dead giveaway.
(3) I believe that Wiegman's position while filming the Hester's was just to the (E) of where we see him falling to the ground on the Bell still frame you posted. I believe while standing, Wiegman filmed the Hesters, then turned to his (L), and then started to move (W) across the Knoll. Wiegman immediately stumbled and fell or maybe dove to the ground.
Dan O'meara:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on September 03, 2026, 05:02:21 PM --- (1) I believe that Wiegman is generally running (W) towards Zapruder. You do see Zapruder and Wiegman both in the same Bell frames?
(2) I have always known that this is Wiegman on the Bell Film. His Hat is a dead giveaway.
(3) I believe that Wiegman's position while filming the Hester's was just to the (E) of where we see him falling to the ground on the Bell still frame you posted. I believe while standing, Wiegman filmed the Hesters, then turned to his (L), and then started to move (W) across the Knoll. Wiegman immediately stumbled and fell or maybe dove to the ground.
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This is soooo painful...
Previously you posted this - The Bell Film shows Wiegman running across the stairs/directly toward Zapruder.
Do you stand by this claim, that in the Bell film we can see Weigman running across the stairs toward Zapruder? Or is this something that you've made up?
Is it something you are imagining but isn't shown in the Bell film.
I'll make this easy - At any point in the Bell film do we see Weigman running?
Do you know what...just forget it...the Bell film does not show Weigman running towards Zapruder, it never did. You just made it up. Weigman stays in exactly the same spot until the film cuts and he is down by the Newmans. Why you would claim the Bell film shows him running is a complete mystery to me. I literally have no idea why you would make such a claim. But now you are trying to backtrack on it...kind of...maybe.
Your story about Weigman standing up while he filmed the Hesters and then fell over is just a fantasy you have invented. There is not a single scrap of evidence to support this made up scenario. I have no idea why you have invented this scenario. I just don't get it. I honestly don't understand why you can't just accept the obvious - the Weigman footage of the Hesters shows us it was filmed at floor level, the Bell footage shows us Weigman filming the Hesters at floor level.
Why isn't the obvious interpretation of the evidence acceptable?
Why invent pointless details?
The steps are only a few inches high...if Weigman was stood up filming the footage would be from a stood up position. But it clearly isn't......................
.....it doesn't matter.
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