Education Forum Returns to Sanity, and WN Is No Longer a Moderator

[Mark Ulrik]

Not at all. If you think the Altgens bullet hole "theory," is a "real doozy," perhaps you will explain the evidence that Doug Weldon, Doug Horne, Roy Schaeffer, and Dr. David Mantik have presented on the subject.

You guys constantly dismiss solid, valid evidence with bombastic verbiage but rarely get around to dealing with evidence itself.

The hole is visible in certain frames of the MPI large-format version of the Zapruder film. I can see it with my own eyes. The only response you guys have offered is that the apparent hole is an optical illusion.

Sorry, but you're the one making bombastic claims - and who keeps running away when asked to back them up. Disproving the SBT would be a fairly big deal, but all you seem to have is anecdotal evidence of some of your Fetzerite buddies claiming to be able to see something that resembles a bullet hole. Wow. Why can't you simply produce an actual image showing what you say it "undisputedly" does? (The answer should be obvious to anyone with half a brain.)

[Michael T. Griffith]

MTG: I know why you're still banned: The conspiracy in your conspiracy theory is way too small! 

MTG--

That, and I point out JFK was an ardent anti-communist, not the James Douglass-defined appeaser singing kumbaya.

I pointed out the same thing, in spades, so I don't see how that could be a reason for not lifting your ban. I created two threads and posted many replies in other threads in which I vigorously argued and documented that JFK was determined to win the Vietnam War, that he was staunchly anti-communist and pro-national defense, that NSAM 263 does not prove JFK intended to unconditionally withdraw from Vietnam after the election (in fact, it refutes this notion), and that LBJ was hardly cuddly and cozy with the Joint Chiefs but bitterly attacked them for daring to try to persuade him to ditch his insane, communist-friendly rules of engagement.

I was also just as vigorous as you were about calling out the embarrassing anti-Israeli propaganda posted by some of the ultra-liberals there. Ditto when it came to pointing out what a fraud and crackpot L. Fletcher Prouty was.

[John Corbett]

MTG--

That, and I point out JFK was an ardent anti-communist, not the James Douglass-defined appeaser singing kumbaya.

Oh well, the world will have to survive without my 2 cents in EF-JFKA.

For a change, you got something right. Of the candidates running for the Democrat nomination in 1960, JFK was by far the most conservative. The liberal wing would have preferred anybody else. First Humphrey flamed out during the primaries. Their next choice was Stuart Symington. Some of them were hoping to draft Adlai Stephenson for a third bite of the apple. LBJ was the favorite of the Southern Democrats. Together, they couldn't muster the delegates to deny JFK a first ballot nomination. Neither Harry Truman nor Eleanor Roosevelt wanted JFK. Roosevelt even refused to support him until very late in the general election when she gave him a lukewarm endorsement.

Some things a lot of people forget about JFK:

He was elected to Congress at a time northeast Republicans were the liberals and the Democrats the more conservative option. Think Rockefeller.

JFK and Nixon were both friends and anti-communist allies.

In 1950 JFK donated $1000 to Nixon's Senate campaign against the far-left Helen Douglas.

In 1952, conservative JFK ran for the Senate and won against the liberal Henry Cabot Lodge.

After being elected, Joseph Kennedy called his friend Joe McCarthy and asked him to mentor JFK, even though McCarthy was a Republican.

McCarthy was very close with the Kennedys. RFK was a staff lawyer on McCarthy's committee. RFK ask McCarthy to be the godfather to his first child. Edward R. Murrow was the guest speaker at a Washington JayCees  dinner that was citing RFK as one of the top ten young men for the year. RFK walked out in protest when Murrow got up to speak. Joe McCarthy even dated one of the Kennedy sisters for a while.

When McCarthy had his fall from grace, JFK had to distance himself from McCarthy because he had presidential ambitions, but he held firm on his hardline anti-Communist positions.

Some people who aren't old enough to know better assume JFK was a staunch liberal like his youngest brother Teddy but the record paints a much different picture.

[Michael T. Griffith]

Sorry, but you're the one making bombastic claims - and who keeps running away when asked to back them up.

No, I simply choose not to waste more time posting additional replies to people who've made it clear they have no intention of being credible and accurate in dealing with evidence that refutes their theory. I've provided evidence to back up my argument, and you guys just refuse to acknowledge it but issue all kinds of vacuous denials and evasions.

Disproving the SBT would be a fairly big deal, but all you seem to have is anecdotal evidence of some of your Fetzerite buddies claiming to be able to see something that resembles a bullet hole. Wow.

This is the kind of nonsense I'm talking about. The SBT was disproved long before Fetzer came along. And, Weldon, Mantik, Schaeffer, Horne, etc., broke with Fetzer years ago, after he started peddling the 9/11 Truther craziness.

In addition, the eight witnesses in three different locations who said they saw a bullet hole in the windshield have nothing to do with any "Fetzerite buddies."

Why can't you simply produce an actual image showing what you say it "undisputedly" does? (The answer should be obvious to anyone with half a brain.)

And you wonder why I don't keep posting replies to your ilk after posting several replies in which I document the very evidence you claim doesn't exist. Does "the MPI large-format version of the Zapruder film" ring a bell? The only answer that any of your ilk gave on this point was Mitch Todd's claim that the apparent windshield damage is really just a "specular highlight."

It is just comical that you would get on a public board and pretend to have any credibility while in the same breath arguing that the SBT has not been disproven. Ever after the ARRB disclosures about the absolute, visually confirmed no-exit determination at the autopsy, and even after Knott Lab's 2023 SBT trajectory analysis, the most sophisticated and data-intensive analysis ever done, refuted the SBT, you guys still cling to it.