Mary Woodward said there were 3 shots and the 1st shot missed everything

[Andrew Mason]

You must be the happiest person in the world.

I am actually sad.  I was expecting you would attack the underlying evidence on which the charts are based or the independence of the witnesses.  Instead you attack the statistical significance of what they represent - you are attacking basic mathematics.  And you don't seem to think that is a problem. I am sad that you are happy about that.

[Tom Graves]

I am actually sad.  I was expecting you would attack the underlying evidence on which the charts are based or the independence of the witnesses.  Instead you attack the statistical significance of what they represent - you are attacking basic mathematics.  And you don't seem to think that is a problem. I am sad that you are happy about that.

Please tell us what we'd see in the Zapruder film, according to your theory, if the Stemmons Freeway sign hadn't been there on 22 November 1963.

JFK's reacting to having been hit "at Z-193," or his getting ready to react to having been hit "at Z-193"?

(LOL)

[John Corbett]

I am actually sad.  I was expecting you would attack the underlying evidence on which the charts are based or the independence of the witnesses.  Instead you attack the statistical significance of what they represent - you are attacking basic mathematics.  And you don't seem to think that is a problem. I am sad that you are happy about that.

I am dispassionate about that. I accept things for what they are. I know large numbers of witnesses got important details of the assassination wrong. Not because they are being deceptive but because they are being human.

[Andrew Mason]

Please tell us what we'd see in the Zapruder film, according to your theory, if the Stemmons Freeway sign hadn't been there on 22 November 1963.

JFK's reacting to having been hit "at Z-193," or his getting ready to react to having been hit "at Z-193"?

(LOL)

I don’t have a theory. But I can tell you what facts are established by the clear preponderance of evidence:
1. there were three shots
2. the first shot was just after z186 and before z202.
3. the first shot struck JFK
4. the second shot was perceptibly after the mid point between the first and last.
5. the third and last shot struck JFK in the head
6. the above five points means that the second shot was perceptibly after z254.

I can’t tell you for sure what JFK is doing when we can’t see him other than to relate what witnesses observed him do or appear after the first shot. But that varies according to the vantage point of the observer. The only person in the same vantage point of Zapruder was Zapruder’s camera and it doesn’t show what he is doing. But I would suggest that it is reasonable to infer that between z193 and z225 JFK brought his right hand down, moved left and assumed the startled look we see in z225.

[Tom Graves]

I don’t have a theory. But I can tell you what facts are established by the clear preponderance of evidence:
1. there were three shots
2. the first shot was just after z186 and before z202.
3. the first shot struck JFK
4. the second shot was perceptibly after the mid point between the first and last.
5. the third and last shot struck JFK in the head
6. the above five points means that the second shot was perceptibly after z254.

I can’t tell you for sure what JFK is doing when we can see him other than to relate what witnesses observed him do or appear after the first shot. But that varies according to the vantage point of the observer. The only person in the same vantage point of Zapruder was Zapruder’s camera and it doesn’t show what he is doing. But I would suggest that it is reasonable to infer that between z193 and z225 JFK brought his right hand down, moved left and assumed the startled look we see in z225.

Your saying "just after Z-186 and before Z-202" makes it sound as though you want to have your cake and eat it, too.

Your problem is that you don't realize that at least nine prime witnesses, including JFK and JBC, consciously reacted between Z-140 and Z-150 to hearing Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot.

[Andrew Mason]

Your saying "just after Z-186 and before Z-202" makes it sound as though you want to have your cake and eat it, too.

Your problem is that you don't realize that at least nine prime witnesses, including JFK and JBC, consciously reacted between Z-140 and Z-150 to hearing Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot.

You are fooling yourself if you think you can tell that they are reacting to a shot or even reacting to anything from the zfilm alone without other evidence. The reaction to Mary Woodward’s group cheers is the last set of smiles and waves that JFK and Jackie did but that occurs after z160 and we have actual evidence of that.

[John Corbett]

I don’t have a theory. But I can tell you what facts are established by the clear preponderance of evidence:
1. there were three shots
2. the first shot was just after z186 and before z202.
3. the first shot struck JFK
4. the second shot was perceptibly after the mid point between the first and last.
5. the third and last shot struck JFK in the head
6. the above five points means that the second shot was perceptibly after z254.

I can’t tell you for sure what JFK is doing when we can’t see him other than to relate what witnesses observed him do or appear after the first shot. But that varies according to the vantage point of the observer. The only person in the same vantage point of Zapruder was Zapruder’s camera and it doesn’t show what he is doing. But I would suggest that it is reasonable to infer that between z193 and z225 JFK brought his right hand down, moved left and assumed the startled look we see in z225.

As usual, you are loony. JFK did not move left prior to Z225. That is something you made up out of necessity to try and salvage a fatally flawed theory. When JFK reemerges at Z225, he is still in the extreme right side of the backseat:

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z225.jpg

This is also where he was at Z193 when you claim he was hit by the first shot:

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z193.jpg