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Online Tom Graves

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Re: Mary Woodward said there were 3 shots and the 1st shot missed everything
« Reply #133 on: August 14, 2026, 06:09:51 AM »
The reason the HSCA didn't think JFK's reaction to being hit was neuromuscular in nature was because it mistakenly believed he had been hit at Z-190, two seconds before the much more realistic Z-222, Z-223, Z-224, or Z-225.

That is the only point I was making.

So, you concede that JFK was hit between Z-222 and Z-225.

Great!

Online John Corbett

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Re: Mary Woodward said there were 3 shots and the 1st shot missed everything
« Reply #134 on: August 14, 2026, 11:40:40 AM »
It is inconceivable that JFK was shot at Z190 and showed no visible reaction until Z226, the same frame JBC showed his visible reaction. Thut is true whether the reaction was neuromuscular or cognitive. It really doesn't matter what type of reaction it was.

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Re: Mary Woodward said there were 3 shots and the 1st shot missed everything
« Reply #135 on: August 14, 2026, 06:59:05 PM »
It is inconceivable that JFK was shot at Z190 and showed no visible reaction until Z226, the same frame JBC showed his visible reaction. That is true whether the reaction was neuromuscular or cognitive. It really doesn't matter what type of reaction it was.
I would agree.  That is why it is inconceivable that this was not part of that visible reaction:

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Re: Mary Woodward said there were 3 shots and the 1st shot missed everything
« Reply #136 on: August 14, 2026, 07:31:07 PM »
I would agree.  That is why it is inconceivable that this was not part of that visible reaction:

In which frame did JFK start to visibility react?

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Re: Mary Woodward said there were 3 shots and the 1st shot missed everything
« Reply #137 on: August 14, 2026, 10:44:22 PM »
I would agree.  That is why it is inconceivable that this was not part of that visible reaction:


If you would look closely, you would see that JFK's hand was still moving down between Z224-225. His arms didn't start upward until Z226, just as JBC's injured right arm started upward.

A closeup of JFK's face in Z225 indicate he might have been exhibiting a facial expression in reaction to the shot, but his right arm was still moving down at that point.

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Re: Mary Woodward said there were 3 shots and the 1st shot missed everything
« Reply #138 on: August 15, 2026, 03:01:35 AM »
If you would look closely, you would see that JFK's hand was still moving down between Z224-225. His arms didn't start upward until Z226, just as JBC's injured right arm started upward.

A closeup of JFK's face in Z225 indicate he might have been exhibiting a facial expression in reaction to the shot, but his right arm was still moving down at that point.

The point is, Mason thinks (sic) JFK was wounded about 2.2 seconds earlier than Z-224 - Z-225, and that JBC was wounded about 2.6 seconds after Z-224 - Z-225.

LOL!

Secret Service Agent Paul Landis, who heard only the second (approx. Z-224) and third (Z-313) shots, correctly said there were "four or five" seconds between them.

Interestingly, he didn't hear Mason's mythological shot at Z-273.

Did anyone, really?

The time interval between Mason's Z-273 and Z-313 is about 2.2 seconds.

I personally would not describe a two-point-two-second time interval as "bang-bang," "clap-clap," "one-upon-the-other," or "immediately following," etc., but as, "pretty quickly," or "a second or two later," etc., etc.

Rhetorical question:

How many of the earwitnesses characterized the interval between the fatal head shot and the shot that proceeded it as being in the "pretty quickly" category, and how many said it was in the "bang-bang" one?

It seems to me that those who said "bang-bang" were fooled by the echoes in Dealey Plaza, and those who said "pretty quickly" (or words to that effect) were actually describing the approximately five seconds between Z-224(ish) and Z-313.


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Re: Mary Woodward said there were 3 shots and the 1st shot missed everything
« Reply #139 on: August 15, 2026, 04:53:38 AM »
In which frame did JFK start to visibility react?
Significant movements of JFK appear to start at or just after z193 but the extreme blurring in those frames make it very hard to see features of his head and face. Members of the HSCA photographic panel concluded that JFK was reacting to a severe external stimulus before disappearing behind the Stemmons sign (HSCA 46):

  • “By Zapruder frame 207 when President Kennedy is seen going behind a sign that obstructed Zapruder's view, he appears to be reacting to a severe external stimulus. This reaction is first indicated in the vicinity of frame 200 of the Zapruder film. The President's right hand freezes in the midst of a waving motion, followed by a rapid leftward movement of his head. (43) There is, therefore, photographic evidence of a shot striking the President by this time”.
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