William Bruce Pitzer: Not exactly a busted factoid

[John Corbett]

So Pitzer supposedly killed himself because he was about to be caught up in a scandal regarding the JFK autopsy materials?! Seriously?! This is not the kind of backward logic one would expect from a self-professed "academic."

I recommend the lengthy chapter on Pitzer's death in Richard Belzer and David Wayne's best-selling book Hit List: An In-Depth Investigation into the Mysterious Deaths of Witnesses to the JFK Assassination, published in 2013 (chapter 26). For an online source, I recommend the article on Pitzer's death on the Spartacus Educational website: https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKpitzerW.htm.

A few facts that Belzer and Wayne document:

-- Pitzer was just about to retire and had a good job lined up. He had no conceivable motive to kill himself.

-- Pitzer's right hand tested negative for GSR/nitrates, indicating he had not fired a revolver.

-- The FBI's own paraffin test in this case indicated the revolver was held some 3 feet away from Pitzer's head when it was fired.

-- The FBI was unable to find any evidence that Pitzer had acquired ammo for the revolver that was signed out from the security office in his name.

-- A heel print found near Pitzer's body was not from the shoes Pitzer was wearing.

-- Pitzer wrote himself a note to remind himself to return the revolver he had signed out.

-- Pitzer's family said he had been repeatedly threatened to keep quiet about his knowledge of the JFK autopsy.

And, pray tell, other than the fact that his story, if true, suggests Pitzer was murdered, what is your basis for saying that Lt. Col. Dan Marvin, a decorated war hero, was "one of the worst of the hoaxers/crackpots"? Where do you get that? As an Army vet and a Vietnam War scholar, I am well acquainted with Lt. Col. Marvin's outstanding service in Vietnam.

I agree with Belzer and Wayne:

Special Forces Lieutenant Colonel Daniel Marvin, a decorated war hero, has testified and written extensively about how he was requested by the CIA to assassinate Lieutenant Commander Pitzer. Lieutenant Colonel Marvin had nothing to gain (and a lot to lose) by clarifying the historical record. A man of high character and loyalty, no one has been able to refute his account. (p. 288)

Lt. Col. Marvin authored the highly acclaimed book Expendable Elite: One Soldier's Journey into Covert Warfare. Marvin fought in the Korean War and then took part in Special Forces operations in Vietnam during the Vietnam War. Marvin commanded Green Beret Team A-424 in South Vietnam and headed 12-man Special Forces team that attacked Viet Cong sanctuaries in Cambodia. In Vietnam, he frequently worked with the CIA. He received three decorations for heroism.

Marvin was also honored by the Hoa Hao in Vietnam. He was awarded with the Hoa Hao purple silk scarf by the Hoa Hao Central Committee when they named Marvin an Honorary Hoa Hao, the only American ever to receive that honor.

As a 21-year Army vet myself, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth when some WC apologist smears a decorated Army Special Forces veteran just because that veteran held a different view of the JFK case and of Pitzer's death. (Lt. Col. Marvin died in 2012.)

Oh, boy. Another "mysterious death" among people who had loose associations with the JFKA. As if these people were supposed to live forever.

Suicides are often committed by people who seem to have everything going for them. It's usually not about what is happening around them. It's about the demons running around inside their heads.

[Lance Payette]

Oh, Jesus, I knew it was inevitable that MTG would take this to the crackpot level, which I was assiduously trying to avoid.

A CT-friendly "problems with the autopsy" scenario is not good enough for MTG. No, the earth has to be flat to keep him happy.

Look, NO ONE this side of the lunatic fringe of the lunatic fringe of the lunatic fringe thinks Pitzer was murdered. That's a dead horse.

Allan Eaglesham is THE premier investigator of the Pitzer murder. He did on-the-ground in-depth investigation. He started out as a full-tilt murder proponent and "Dangerous Dan" believer. He ended up as neither. He fully accepted the verdict of murder as established by two Navy investigations and an FBI investigation. He accepted that Dangerous Dan was a fantasist telling whoppers - his tale is absurd on its face and fell apart under scrutiny.

Kent Heiner's 2019 e-book that I linked is the absolute BEST work on Pitzer you will find. His 2004 edition promoted both the murder claim and Dangerous Dan. As with Eaglesham, the evidence forced him to accept the verdict of suicide and Dangerous Dan as a teller of whoppers.

DENNIS EFFING DAVID, who was almost single-handedly responsible for keeping the murder claim alive, stated at the Ed Forum that he no longer had any position on whether Pitzer was murdered or committed suicide.

The ONLY possible "mysterious" perspective on Pitzer's death is the one I articulated: The possibility that autopsy-related events surrounding the very date of Pitzer's death might have sent this perfectionist Navy career officer off the deep end. This idea wasn't wholly original with me - it occurred to me on the basis of some things Heiner had written. If this angle isn't correct, Pitzer's death is just a garden-variety inexplicable suicide, of which there are thousands of examples.

One might think that a whacked-out CTer would LOVE a theory that preserves Dennis David's credibility and posits a reason for his suicide that calls into question what actually did take place at the autopsy. But noooooo, this is entirely unsatisfactory to the lunatic fringe of the lunatic fringe of the lunatic fringe occupied by MTG.

MTG clearly didn't read anything other than my first post before launching into his laughable litany of murder-suggesting "facts" that NO ONE WHO KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT THE PITZER CASE STILL BELIEVES.

Consistently, MTG enters threads late in the game and pisses all over the place with his nonsense. HIT LIST - HIT LIST!!! - is his authority vis-a-vis the two premier CT-oriented researchers who spent YEARS on the Pitzer "murder" and came away convinced it was a suicide and Dangerous Dan was a wacko. MTG is not only a 33rd-degree flat earth CT crackpot but an absolute nuisance. Suffice it to say, it's a good thing for MTG that I don't moderate the forum.

[Lance Payette]

For those who don't know Dangerous Dan's tale, it's basically this: He was at some sort of military-killer conference. He was walking outside with another guy when a CIA guy called them over. Speaking to Dan, he said he wanted him to assassinate someone and actually gave him the name William Pitzer (catch that - gave him the name before Dan had accepted the mission!) When Dan learned this would be an assassination within the borders of the U.S. he declined, basically telling the CIA guy "The Mafia does internal hits for you." The CIA guy then approached Dan's companion, whom Dan assumed had carried out the Pitzer hit. Alas, the other guy (Vanek) was located, by Eaglesham I believe. He was a practicing physician who had no clue what Dan was talking about. Dan then started waffling and back-pedaling and declined to confront Vanek by telephone. OK, maybe it wasn't Vanek; he thought it was, but maybe it wasn't. Well, Vanek was 40 feet away from Dan's conversation with the CIA guy, so maybe be didn't hear it and maybe the CIA guy didn't actually approach Vanek. Well, maybe, well, maybe, well, maybe - until both Eaglesham and Heiner checked Dangerous Dan off their lists. Nevertheless, MTG believes Dangerous Dan was the real deal, and if you don't agree MTG hopes you fall off the edge of the earth next time you walk your pooch.