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Author Topic: The Hole in the Limousine's Windshield: Proof of a Second Gunman  (Read 3122 times)

Online John Corbett

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"Mistaken impression"?! So eight witnesses in three different locations all "got the same mistaken impression"?! All eight of them could not tell the difference between a crack and a hole?!

Yeah, pretty much.
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So do tell us how Officer Ellis could have gotten this "mistaken impression" when he put a pencil through the hole.

I don't believe he did.
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Tell us how Secret Service agent Taylor, who rode in the limousine from Andrews Air Force Base to the White House garage, a 25-35-minute drive, and then watched FBI technicians remove fragments from the hole, could have mistaken a crack for a hole, especially given the wording of his report:

I'm not able to explain why people make mistakes. I just know that they do.
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In addition, of particular note was the small hole just left of center in the windshield from which what appeared to be bullet fragments were removed.

Do tell us how Evalea Glanges, a medical student at the time who later became head of the surgery department at a major hospital, could have "mistaken" a crack for a hole, given that she specified that she didn't see any cracks around the hole, but just the hole. This rings true because when objects make holes in windshields, cracks often don't develop from the hole until later, as I have personally seen with the windshields of two of my cars. Glanges specified that the hole was a "real clean hole." I should add that Glanges had years of experience with firearms, having been a recreational gun enthusiast since childhood. 

And Whitaker was the last person on Earth would have confused a crack for a hole. As a senior windshield technician, he had seen all kinds of testing done on windshields. He saw the windshield after it had been removed from the limo. He was able to examine both sides of the windshield from just inches away. Noted Whitaker,

And the windshield had a bullet hole in it, coming from the outside through. You could see it from the way it was broken. . . It was a good, clean bullet hole, right straight through, from the front. And you can tell, when the bullet hits the windshield, like when you hit a rock or something, what happens? The back chips out and the front may just have a pinhole in it. This had a clean round hole in the front and fragmentation coming out the back. . . .

I worked in the industry for forty years and I've seen all kinds of testing on glass, and I know it came from the front. ("The Kennedy Limousine: Dallas 1963", pp. 143-144)


You lamely and dishonestly claim that Weldon found Whitaker to be credible "solely because his story conflicts" with the Warren Report. You obviously know nothing about Doug Weldon, and you apparently have not read Weldon's detailed explanation for why he found Whitaker to be credible. 

I see no reason to read every book written by crackpot authors. You on the other hand seem gullible enough to accept anything and everything that disputes the findings of the WC.
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You see, you folks aren't interested in following the evidence where it leads. You keep saying, "if there was a conspiracy, someone would have talked." Well, many people have talked, but in every single case, when those people's accounts contradict the lone-gunman theory, you reach and strain for any excuse, no matter how lame, to either reject their accounts or to accuse them of lying.

There are dozens if not hundreds of various conspiracy theories. Am I supposed to give credence to all of them. The fact is, I've seen nothing that gives credence to any of them.
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This is yet another display of your ignorance of JFK assassination research.

I don't consider reading crackpot authors research.
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Obviously, you didn't bother to read the main source I linked in the OP, i.e., Weldon's chapter on the windshield hole. I'm sure you didn't read any of the other linked sources either. If you had read Weldon's chapter, you would have discovered that he addresses the issue of the position of the shooter who fired through the windshield. He documents that a shooter firing the from the south side of the triple underpass would not have been "right in the open for all to see." In fact, he would have been well concealed.

You're right. I'm not into going on snipe hunts. You, on the other hand, seem to revel in it.
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Moreover, Sherry Fiester, an instructor and court-certified expert in crime-scene reconstruction and blood-spatter analysis, found another location on the south knoll, a different location than the one Weldon identified, that would have also provided good concealment. She discusses this in her 2012 book Enemy of the Truth, Myths, Forensics, and the Kennedy Assassination and in the 2016 documentary A Coup in Camelot.

Oh, this should be good. Tell us how somebody could fire a shot through the windshield trying to hit JFK.
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This stuff was covered years ago, but, as usual, you have no clue because your research has been so meager and biased.

There's a mountain of crap that's been covered the past 62 years. That doesn't give any of it credibility.

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Online James Slater

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Yeah, pretty much.
I don't believe he did.
I'm not able to explain why people make mistakes. I just know that they do.
I see no reason to read every book written by crackpot authors. You on the other hand seem gullible enough to accept anything and everything that disputes the findings of the WC.
There are dozens if not hundreds of various conspiracy theories. Am I supposed to give credence to all of them. The fact is, I've seen nothing that gives credence to any of them.
I don't consider reading crackpot authors research.
You're right. I'm not into going on snipe hunts. You, on the other hand, seem to revel in it.
Oh, this should be good. Tell us how somebody could fire a shot through the windshield trying to hit JFK.
There's a mountain of crap that's been covered the past 62 years. That doesn't give any of it credibility.
I've got statements from Roy kellerman, a nurse at Parkland and an employee who was involved in the removal of the wind shield at a certain motor company who state there was a pencil size hole through the wind shield. Before JFK Lancer was hacked I saved a lot of interviews onto my hard drives.
When Lancer was at its peak, several assassination researchers conducted interviews in the 1970's, 1980's and 1990's. One private interview will astound everyone. It was an interview with Mary Moorman on video in which she stated that not only could she smell cartridge propellant at street level, she actually saw someone in the limo 'shooting back' as she puts it. Now that will be interesting won't it? All in good time.

Online John Corbett

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I've got statements from Roy kellerman, a nurse at Parkland and an employee who was involved in the removal of the wind shield at a certain motor company who state there was a pencil size hole through the wind shield. Before JFK Lancer was hacked I saved a lot of interviews onto my hard drives.
When Lancer was at its peak, several assassination researchers conducted interviews in the 1970's, 1980's and 1990's. One private interview will astound everyone. It was an interview with Mary Moorman on video in which she stated that not only could she smell cartridge propellant at street level, she actually saw someone in the limo 'shooting back' as she puts it. Now that will be interesting won't it? All in good time.

The agents who examined the hole when the limo was taken back to the White House garage said the windshield was struck from the inside and that there was no hole through the windshield.

Online Royell Storing

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The agents who examined the hole when the limo was taken back to the White House garage said the windshield was struck from the inside and that there was no hole through the windshield.

   What you are you referring to was done AFTER the JFK Limo was gone through while being flown back to DC. And THAT was done after the Scrub Bucket was taken to it at Parkland Hospital. That murder scene was tampered with Before it arrived in DC.

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