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Online Brian Doyle

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Does it really matter who killed JFK?
« Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 02:07:42 PM »

Richard Case Nagel shows that KGB had nothing to do with it...

Online Benjamin Cole

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« Reply #8 on: Yesterday at 03:22:21 PM »
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I don't place a lot of faith in Nagell, but didn't he say LHO had been sent by Moscow to perp the JFKA, but they called off the mission, but LHO refused to end the assignment?

James Woolsey, former CIA director, has a similar narrative, that LHO was programmed in Russia. 

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Does it really matter who killed JFK?
« Reply #9 on: Yesterday at 03:47:00 PM »


Extrapolate the Armstrong template and it is really all you need outside of the spy vs spy bs that was designed to confuse the issue...

Online John Corbett

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Re: Does it really matter who killed JFK?
« Reply #10 on: Yesterday at 10:47:32 PM »
Which Oswald? Harvey or Lee? The Bolton Ford Oswald, or the Lincoln Mercury Oswald? The Oswald who was with Marita Lorenz on a Caravan to Dallas, or the Oswald who worked with Judyth Baker to kill Castro with cancer? The Oswald Thornley knew, or the Oswald Titovets knew? Or the Oswald who took Russia-lessons given to him in Minsk by the late head of state of Belarus Stanislav Stanislavovich Shushkevich? Choose.  ;)

I know of only one Oswald who shot killed JFK on 11/22/1963. He killed a cop that same day.

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« Reply #11 on: Today at 02:39:27 PM »
Does it really matter who killed JFK?

It seems to me that the really important thing is that the Kremlin and its KGB (today's SVR and FSB) have "made hay" from the anomaly-replete assassination literally since Day One, when some Kremlin functionaries told Morris Childs, one of the FBI's SOLO brothers who couriered $28 million from the Kremlin to the CPUSA over twenty years and who just happened to be at the Kremlin around midnight on 11/22/63, that the KGB had nothing to do with former Marine sharpshooter and U-2 radar operator Lee Harvey Oswald during the two-and-a-half years he lived in the USSR.

Three-and-a-half years later, the KGB planted an anti-CIA/anti-Clay Shaw article in a Communist-owned Italian newspaper three days after over-ambitious, scandal-plagued, and revengeful New Orleans D.A. Jim Garrison had arrested the New Orleans businessman on suspicion of having masterminded a Loeb-and-Leopold-like homosexual thrill-kill assassination. The article was picked up by a far-left French newspaper, translated into English and given to Garrison by Bertrand Russell’s far-left secretary, Ralph Schoenman, and motivated Garrison to change his theory against Shaw to "He organized it for the CIA!"

Factoid:

In his 1989 book, "On the Trail of the Assassins" — which Oliver Stone integrated into his self-described mythological (“to counter the myth of the Warren Report”) film, “JFK,” Garrison lied when he said he didn't read the article until after the 1969 trial (which the jury decided against him in less than an hour). We know that he lied, though, because his assistant, Life magazine’s Richard Billings, wrote in his diary in mid-March 1967 that Garrison had received said article and was beginning to believe the CIA was behind the assassination.

Has it occurred to you that the KGB knew of evidence that rogue elements of the CIA played a role in the JFK assassination and decided to try to get this information to the American people to counter the common belief that Oswald acted on behalf of the Soviets and/or their Cuban proxies?

If Richard Case Nagell was telling the truth, and there are good reasons to believe he was mostly truthful, then the KGB knew about the assassination plot before JFK was killed and tried to prevent it because they feared right-wingers in the U.S. Government would use it to persuade the government to start WWIII with the Soviets and/or the Cubans.







Online Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Does it really matter who killed JFK?
« Reply #12 on: Today at 02:41:09 PM »
I know of only one Oswald who shot killed JFK on 11/22/1963. He killed a cop that same day.
Apparently one of the supposed fake Oswalds (there were two? three? six? as many as needed?) went to work with Frazier that day, worked all morning at the building, shot JFK, then left. And nobody realized it wasn't the real Oswald.

In conspiracy world nothing has to make a lick of sense. It just has to somehow support a conspiracy. What conspiracy is that? Any one will do. Or two. Or four. They can all contradict one another, make no logical sense, be at odds with each other: it doesn't matter. In fact, the more complex the better.

Tom Bethell, who had worked for Garrison early on but quit in disgust with what he (Garrison) was doing, explained the thinking behind the multiple Oswald idea:

"The extraordinary complexity involved – three Oswalds! -- is a fundamental characteristic of conspiratorialist reasoning. Philosophers like to point out that any belief, more or less, can be sustained if the believer is willing to encrust his belief with enough assumptions; the only problem is that the resulting theory starts to look very complicated compared to much simpler alternatives readily at hand. It is an important principle of philosophy (although one little valued in assassination conspiracy circles) that the simple explanation should be preferred to the complicated one.

Consider another famous case. Is the earth round or flat? It is possible to argue that it is flat and yet maintain an appearance of rationality. I once went to a lecture given by a member of the Flat Earth Society, and it was surprising how similar his reasoning was to that of the various conspiracy theorists I have known. A Flat-Earther, for instance, is likely to tell you that the moon landings never really took place, that NASA is collaborating with the CIA to deceive the Russians and the American people. . . . Sound familiar? To believe the earth is flat one must also believe that a large number of people are working assiduously to deceive our minds, and it is, in the end, just so much simpler to conclude that this conspiracy does not exist.

But your average conspiratorialist sees little merit in the argument from a standpoint of simplicity. To accept the simple explanation, he feels, is just simple-minded. Somehow conspiracy theorists seem, above all, determined never to be accused of being naive. Gore Vidal gives this impression in his condescending reference to "most Americans being quite at home with the batty killer who acts alone in order to be on television." Jones Harris, rather than drop back down to the simple and perhaps rather "naive" hypothesis of one Oswald, tries to rescue the shaky two-Oswald theory by adding on another Oswald.
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