The Dented Spent Cartridge

[Charles Collins]

Some folks seem to believe that the dent in the neck of one of the spent Carcano cartridges found on the sixth floor of the TSBD indicates that it couldn’t have been fired on 11/22/63. However, there is a very reasonable explanation for the dent that has credible supporting evidence and is consistent with that cartridge being one of the three shots believed to have been fired on 11/22/63. Let’s start with an animated GIF showing slow-motion of a shell being ejected from a lever action rifle. You can see the ejected shell spin end for end and the neck end of the cartridge hit the rifle and bounce off. It appears to me that the neck end of the spent cartridge is flattened a bit by the impact.




Here is a still image from that GIF showing what appears to be a somewhat flattened neck.




I had previously posted in another thread a link to a video of a Carcano M91/38 ejecting a spent cartridge that also bounced off of the rifle at the bridge to the rear of the ejection port. Here is a still frame from that video showing the cartridge just after it bounced off the rifle.





What we cannot see in the Carcano image above is what that rear bridge looks like from the rear angle. Here’s an image from Nova’s Cold Case JFK that clearly shows the sharp edges and/or corners that could have made the dent in CE543:




The FBI duplicated the dented cartridge in their tests by cycling the Carcano’s bolt very quickly and forcefully in an effort to simulate someone trying to fire consecutive shots a quickly as possible.

[John Corbett]

Some folks seem to believe that the dent in the neck of one of the spent Carcano cartridges found on the sixth floor of the TSBD indicates that it couldn’t have been fired on 11/22/63. However, there is a very reasonable explanation for the dent that has credible supporting evidence and is consistent with that cartridge being one of the three shots believed to have been fired on 11/22/63. Let’s start with an animated GIF showing slow-motion of a shell being ejected from a lever action rifle. You can see the ejected shell spin end for end and the neck end of the cartridge hit the rifle and bounce off. It appears to me that the neck end of the spent cartridge is flattened a bit by the impact.




Here is a still image from that GIF showing what appears to be a somewhat flattened neck.




I had previously posted in another thread a link to a video of a Carcano M91/38 ejecting a spent cartridge that also bounced off of the rifle at the bridge to the rear of the ejection port. Here is a still frame from that video showing the cartridge just after it bounced off the rifle.





What we cannot see in the Carcano image above is what that rear bridge looks like from the rear angle. Here’s an image from Nova’s Cold Case JFK that clearly shows the sharp edges and/or corners that could have made the dent in CE543:




The FBI duplicated the dented cartridge in their tests by cycling the Carcano’s bolt very quickly and forcefully in an effort to simulate someone trying to fire consecutive shots a quickly as possible.

By raising the issue of the dented shell, the CTs demonstrate how really, really bad they are at weighing evidence. To them, the presence of a dented shell in the sniper's nest negates all the other forensic evidence that points to Oswald as the shooter. That dented shell gives them the excuse to dismiss the fact that all three of the spent shells were fired by the rifle that was found elsewhere on the 6th floor. That rifle was connected to Oswald in four different ways. By the paper trail indicating he purchased the rifle via mail order. He was photographed with the rifle. His palm print was on that rifle. The fibers on the butt plate of the rifle matched the shirt Oswald was wearing that day. Furthermore, a bag was found next to the sniper's nest that had Oswald's palm and fingerprint on the bottom of the bag and fibers matching the blanket Oswald used to store the rifle. Oswald's fingerprints were found on top of the boxes that were stacked by the window to form a rifle rest. All of this evidence points unmistakably to Oswald as the assassin. But that is not the answer the CTs want. In fact, they give no indication they are after any answers at all. What they really want are excuses to dismiss all that damning evidence that Oswald was they assassin. If they even respond to this post, we can count on them providing more excuses for each of the items I've pointed to as evidence of Oswald's guilt. They really have never shown an interest in figuring out who killed JFK. That just want excuses to deny it was Oswald.

[Tom Graves]

By raising the issue of the dented shell, the CTs demonstrate how really, really bad they are at weighing evidence. To them, the presence of a dented shell in the sniper's nest negates all the other forensic evidence that points to Oswald as the shooter. That dented shell gives them the excuse to dismiss the fact that all three of the spent shells were fired by the rifle that was found elsewhere on the 6th floor. That rifle was connected to Oswald in four different ways. By the paper trail indicating he purchased the rifle via mail order. He was photographed with the rifle. His palm print was on that rifle. The fibers on the butt plate of the rifle matched the shirt Oswald was wearing that day. Furthermore, a bag was found next to the sniper's nest that had Oswald's palm and fingerprint on the bottom of the bag and fibers matching the blanket Oswald used to store the rifle. Oswald's fingerprints were found on top of the boxes that were stacked by the window to form a rifle rest. All of this evidence points unmistakably to Oswald as the assassin. But that is not the answer the CTs want. In fact, they give no indication they are after any answers at all. What they really want are excuses to dismiss all that damning evidence that Oswald was they assassin. If they even respond to this post, we can count on them providing more excuses for each of the items I've pointed to as evidence of Oswald's guilt. They really have never shown an interest in figuring out who killed JFK. That just want excuses to deny it was Oswald.

So many people were obviously involved in planting evidence against the psychologically disturbed self-described Marxist former Marine sharpshooter that it HAD to be the Deep State or Steve Bannon's Deep State-Administrative State that did it!!!

[Royell Storing]

Some folks seem to believe that the dent in the neck of one of the spent Carcano cartridges found on the sixth floor of the TSBD indicates that it couldn’t have been fired on 11/22/63. However, there is a very reasonable explanation for the dent that has credible supporting evidence and is consistent with that cartridge being one of the three shots believed to have been fired on 11/22/63. Let’s start with an animated GIF showing slow-motion of a shell being ejected from a lever action rifle. You can see the ejected shell spin end for end and the neck end of the cartridge hit the rifle and bounce off. It appears to me that the neck end of the spent cartridge is flattened a bit by the impact.




Here is a still image from that GIF showing what appears to be a somewhat flattened neck.




I had previously posted in another thread a link to a video of a Carcano M91/38 ejecting a spent cartridge that also bounced off of the rifle at the bridge to the rear of the ejection port. Here is a still frame from that video showing the cartridge just after it bounced off the rifle.





What we cannot see in the Carcano image above is what that rear bridge looks like from the rear angle. Here’s an image from Nova’s Cold Case JFK that clearly shows the sharp edges and/or corners that could have made the dent in CE543:




The FBI duplicated the dented cartridge in their tests by cycling the Carcano’s bolt very quickly and forcefully in an effort to simulate someone trying to fire consecutive shots a quickly as possible.

   Based on the above, If the rifle was hanging out of the TSBD Window when the alleged 3 shots were fired, the ejected hulls should have clipped the 1/2 open widow behind it. If the rifle was Not hanging out of the window, the smell of gunpowder would Not have been dispelled outward into Dealey Plaza. Which way do You want it?

[Bill Brown]

Some folks seem to believe that the dent in the neck of one of the spent Carcano cartridges found on the sixth floor of the TSBD indicates that it couldn’t have been fired on 11/22/63. However, there is a very reasonable explanation for the dent that has credible supporting evidence and is consistent with that cartridge being one of the three shots believed to have been fired on 11/22/63. Let’s start with an animated GIF showing slow-motion of a shell being ejected from a lever action rifle. You can see the ejected shell spin end for end and the neck end of the cartridge hit the rifle and bounce off. It appears to me that the neck end of the spent cartridge is flattened a bit by the impact.




Here is a still image from that GIF showing what appears to be a somewhat flattened neck.


I had previously posted in another thread a link to a video of a Carcano M91/38 ejecting a spent cartridge that also bounced off of the rifle at the bridge to the rear of the ejection port. Here is a still frame from that video showing the cartridge just after it bounced off the rifle.


What we cannot see in the Carcano image above is what that rear bridge looks like from the rear angle. Here’s an image from Nova’s Cold Case JFK that clearly shows the sharp edges and/or corners that could have made the dent in CE543:


The FBI duplicated the dented cartridge in their tests by cycling the Carcano’s bolt very quickly and forcefully in an effort to simulate someone trying to fire consecutive shots a quickly as possible.

Hi Charles.  The dented casing could have also been the result of a short cycle, which occurs when the shooter is operating the bolt in a very hurried fashion.  Basically, the casing does not get fully ejected and instead is caught and squeezed by the operation of the bolt in preparation for the next shot.  The shooter would then be forced to operate the bolt a 2nd time to finally eject the spent (and now dented) casing.

I'm not saying I adhere to this theory, but it is something to consider.

[Bill Brown]

By raising the issue of the dented shell, the CTs demonstrate how really, really bad they are at weighing evidence. To them, the presence of a dented shell in the sniper's nest negates all the other forensic evidence that points to Oswald as the shooter. That dented shell gives them the excuse to dismiss the fact that all three of the spent shells were fired by the rifle that was found elsewhere on the 6th floor. That rifle was connected to Oswald in four different ways. By the paper trail indicating he purchased the rifle via mail order. He was photographed with the rifle. His palm print was on that rifle. The fibers on the butt plate of the rifle matched the shirt Oswald was wearing that day. Furthermore, a bag was found next to the sniper's nest that had Oswald's palm and fingerprint on the bottom of the bag and fibers matching the blanket Oswald used to store the rifle. Oswald's fingerprints were found on top of the boxes that were stacked by the window to form a rifle rest. All of this evidence points unmistakably to Oswald as the assassin. But that is not the answer the CTs want. In fact, they give no indication they are after any answers at all. What they really want are excuses to dismiss all that damning evidence that Oswald was they assassin. If they even respond to this post, we can count on them providing more excuses for each of the items I've pointed to as evidence of Oswald's guilt. They really have never shown an interest in figuring out who killed JFK. That just want excuses to deny it was Oswald.

The fibers on the butt plate of the rifle matched the shirt Oswald was wearing that day.

To be clear, the tuft of fibers was found in the crevice between the metal butt plate and the wooden stock.

Other than that, your point is entirely valid.

[John Corbett]

   Based on the above, If the rifle was hanging out of the TSBD Window when the alleged 3 shots were fired, the ejected hulls should have clipped the 1/2 open widow behind it. If the rifle was Not hanging out of the window, the smell of gunpowder would Not have been dispelled outward into Dealey Plaza. Which way do You want it?

Only the muzzle of the rifle needed to be extended out the window to discharge the gunpowder residue outside the building. With Oswald using the stacked boxes to steady his aim, the Mannlicher firing mechanism would have been inside the building and the shells would eject as they did. It would create a very awkward shooting position if Oswald had extended the firing mechanism outside the window. Did you really need that explained to you?