I've talked with several homicide cops. They don't believe in coincidence

[Lance Payette]

The title of this thread might be too broad..,
 More coincidences ?

Oh, OK, if the topic is the broader one of coincidences, I would agree that the JFKA is full of weird twists and turns and "seven degrees of separation from Kevin Bacon"-type coincidences. It sometimes almost seems like a Cosmic Whodunnit written by the Great Mystery Writer in the Sky - as though all of this surely couldn't have "just happened."

I like to use myself as an example. Before becoming involved in the JFKA, I attached no significance whatsoever to the fact that my grandmother knew the Dulles family or that one of my relatives - whose last name is my middle name (which was my parents' nod to my grandmother) - was Lorenzo Dow Baker, one of the founders of the the United Fruit Company. I also have in my study a completely innocent photo of me with William Webster, former director of both the CIA and FBI (FBI when the photo was taken). My wife "just happens" to be from Minsk, and her sister and late brother-in-law worked at the radio and TV factory at the same time as Oswald. Holy cow, how suspicious is all THAT? And yet, the reality is that it has pretty much nothing to do with anything.

This seems to be part of the conspiracy mentality - put everything under a microscope until nothing looks real anymore and poor old Ruth Paine becomes a major player in the JFKA.

I've had so many startling incidents of synchronicity - "meaningful coincidence" - that I started writing them down many years ago. I shared this one on Duncan's new weirdness forum. I happen to believe it was more than mere coincidence - but even if someone wants to argue it was "just a coincidence," it's still exceedingly weird and unlikely. Unlike the homicide cops, I definitely do believe in coincidences because I've lived them.

Complex incidents of synchronicity - "meaningful coincidence" or what Jung called an "acausal connecting principle" - absolutely fascinate me. In 2007, I was a widower awaiting the arrival of my fiance from Belarus. I had ordered from art.com some eight pieces of art to freshen up the house. I was online looking at them. I asked my paralegal across the hall, named Vicki, if she'd ever seen the site. Looking over my shoulder, she asked "Do they have anything by Gustav Klimt?" I brought up what they had, and Vicki said "Oh, my God, 'The Kiss' - that's my favorite painting!" OK, whatever. A week later, I was awaiting the arrival of the final piece - a droll Victorian print of Mama Cat teaching her studious-looking children how to catch mice. It arrived. I looked at the shipping invoice - yep, here it was. I opened the box and pulled out "The Kiss" by Gustav Klimt. What??? I just about fainted. I got back online to make sure I hadn't gone into some sort of trance and ordered "The Kiss." Nope. I contacted art.com. "Eh, mistakes sometimes happen at the warehouse. Send it back." I asked Vicki if she wanted it, but $300 was too much for her. Fast-forward some five years. I had retired (working from home) and Vicki had died. Some good friends from out of town were visiting to go to lunch. My wife was still getting ready. We were standing right in front of the print of Mama Cat, so I told them my "The Kiss" story. We drove to the restaurant at an historic hotel down the road. They have a gift shop and a little book nook where they sell books on local history and whatnot. While the others were in the gift shop, I stuck my head in the book nook. There was a little table with exactly one book sitting upright on it: a metallic gold dustjacket with "GUSTAV KLIMT" in big red letters. I have no idea what a book on Klimt would have been doing there. I just about fainted again and of course bought it. Weird.

[Tom Scully]

Oh, OK, if the topic is the broader one of coincidences, I would agree that the JFKA is full of weird twists and turns and "seven degrees of separation from Kevin Bacon"-type coincidences. It sometimes almost seems like a Cosmic Whodunnit written by the Great Mystery Writer in the Sky - as though all of this surely couldn't have "just happened."

I like to use myself as an example. Before becoming involved in the JFKA, I attached no significance whatsoever to the fact that my grandmother knew the Dulles family or that one of my relatives - whose last name is my middle name (which was my parents' nod to my grandmother) - was Lorenzo Dow Baker, one of the founders of the the United Fruit Company. I also have in my study a completely innocent photo of me with William Webster, former director of both the CIA and FBI (FBI when the photo was taken). My wife "just happens" to be from Minsk, and her sister and late brother-in-law worked at the radio and TV factory at the same time as Oswald. Holy cow, how suspicious is all THAT? And yet, the reality is that it has pretty much nothing to do with anything.

This seems to be part of the conspiracy mentality - put everything under a microscope until nothing looks real anymore and poor old Ruth Paine becomes a major player in the JFKA.

I've had so many startling incidents of synchronicity - "meaningful coincidence" - that I started writing them down many years ago. I shared this one on Duncan's new weirdness forum. I happen to believe it was more than mere coincidence - but even if someone wants to argue it was "just a coincidence," it's still exceedingly weird and unlikely. Unlike the homicide cops, I definitely do believe in coincidences because I've lived them.

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Lance, for 23 years I have felt like I was plucked, like a chess piece, out of a life and a relationship I was content to continue, and set down on the board I'm playing the game of
life on since then. I ended up where I came to recognize I was critically needed in the future. Maybe the feeling is just an internal coping mechanism, maybe not. I've experienced a sense of purpose that has filled a void I had not really sensed during my other life. I'll visit the weird events area of this forum and fill in the blanks.

You listed "Legend" by Edward Jay Epstein as one of the six books you felt, I assume, was a reliable source, or at least a decent starting off point for the uninitiated.

Epstein was the last known person, the year before the 1978 publication of "Legend", to interview George DeMohrenschildt, including on the day of George's alleged suicide.

The local detective investigating what was then classified as a suspicious death, requested Epstein's interview notes and or recordings. Despite paying Demorenschildt
$1000 per day and his car rental expenses, Epstein told the investigator he had not taken any.

I thought it was newsworthy, especially in 2013, with the 50th anniversary of the JFKA approaching, that the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle, a Gannett chain newspaper since
1928, be made aware that a hometown boy, Tom Devine, is described in HSCA records as meeting, on behalf of CIA, with DeMohrenschildt and Clemard Charles in NYC less than four weeks after what would be the final time the DeMohrenschildt couple ever visited with the Oswald couple, on Easter Sunday, 1963. DeMohrenschildt later wrote that he had asked, "Lee, how did you miss," referring to the attempt on Edwin Walker. George Dem's wife, Jean was on record as seeing the rifle that day.

I emailed that newspaper's investigative reporter. I soon received an email reply from that reporter's editor. He shared that his late father, a Chinese language linguist, had held
a high position in the early days of the JFK library. The editor's father had persuaded his son that DeMohrenschildt had a very minor role and was therefore, not newsworthy.

Unlike humans, horses are not born with blinders on. Local newspapers, as Upton Sinclair pointed out in his self published, "The Brass Check" do not report on otherwise newsworthy details of local department stores or car dealers, the largest contributors to keeping the lights on in the news room. Mr. Devine was still too influential at that point
to risk ruffling the feathers of.

[Michael T. Griffith]

I'll never understand why CTs let themselves get sidetracked by these irrelevant side issues. I guess it's probably because when they focus on the hard evidence in the JFKA, it doesn't yield the answer they want. They think if they go down enough rabbit holes, eventually they will find what they are looking for. 62 years of futility hasn't discouraged them in their quixotic quest.

Have you read Proctor's and Doudna's research on the phone call? How do you explain it? Answer: You don't. You just dismiss it without studying it.

Because you're slavishly devoted to the WC's lone-gunman theory, you have to find some excuse, no matter how lame, to reject every single item of evidence that shows or even suggests that Oswald had intelligence connections and/or that he was working with others.

For newcomers to the thread, here's the transcript of Dr. Grover Proctor's 12/21/2015 presentation on the phone call:

https://istoriaministries.com/oswaldslastphonecalltranscript/

I also recommend Greg Doudna's Education Forum thread "The Raleigh Phone Call Revisited":

https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/27552-the-raleigh-phone-call-revisited/

For those who would rather watch a video first, here are two videos by Dr. Proctor on the phone call:

"Oswald's Phone Call"

"Dr. Grover Proctor: Uncut Interview"

[Lance Payette]

Have you read Proctor's and Doudna's research on the phone call? How do you explain it? Answer: You don't. You just dismiss it without studying it.

Because you're slavishly devoted to the WC's lone-gunman theory, you have to find some excuse, no matter how lame, to reject every single item of evidence that shows or even suggests that Oswald had intelligence connections and/or that he was working with others.

For newcomers to the thread, here's the transcript of Dr. Grover Proctor's 12/21/2015 presentation on the phone call:

https://istoriaministries.com/oswaldslastphonecalltranscript/

I also recommend Greg Doudna's Education Forum thread "The Raleigh Phone Call Revisited":

https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/27552-the-raleigh-phone-call-revisited/

For those who would rather watch a video first, here are two videos by Dr. Proctor on the phone call:

"Oswald's Phone Call"

"Dr. Grover Proctor: Uncut Interview"

Greg responded to my thread at the Ed Forum but had not posted anything when I did my research. As I have said to his face, figuratively speaking, his propensity to find elaborate alternative explanations for every single aspect of the JFKA he investigates is enough to give me great pause. It's some sort of creative impulse run amuck.

I defintely was intimately familiar with Proctor's work. I shredded it. If someone wants to believe it, go ahead. My factoid-busting is 99.9% for my own satisfaction and amusement. The "Raleigh phone call" is a factoid to nowhere.

[Lance Payette]

I thought it was newsworthy, especially in 2013, with the 50th anniversary of the JFKA approaching, that the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle, a Gannett chain newspaper since 1928, be made aware that a hometown boy, Tom Devine, is described in HSCA records as meeting, on behalf of CIA, with DeMohrenschildt and Clemard Charles in NYC less than four weeks after what would be the final time the DeMohrenschildt couple ever visited with the Oswald couple, on Easter Sunday, 1963. DeMohrenschildt later wrote that he had asked, "Lee, how did you miss," referring to the attempt on Edwin Walker. George Dem's wife, Jean was on record as seeing the rifle that day.

There's a further coincidence for ya: I lived in Rochester from 1985 to 1987 and again in 1993. Even though I'm a native Arizonan, it was my favorite place I've ever lived. I had a letter to the editor published in the Democrat and Chronicle!

[John Corbett]

Have you read Proctor's and Doudna's research on the phone call? How do you explain it? Answer: You don't. You just dismiss it without studying it.

No, and I don't go out on wild goose chases or snipe hunts either. One of us already knows who killed JFK and the other is named Michael T. Griffith.

Because you're slavishly devoted to the WC's lone-gunman theory, you have to find some excuse, no matter how lame, to reject every single item of evidence that shows or even suggests that Oswald had intelligence connections and/or that he was working with others.

I'm slavishly devoted to the evidence and that tells us unmistakably that Oswald was the assassin and there is no credible evidence that he had even a single accomplice. A few days ago I challenged you to present your three best pieces of evidence that someone other than Oswald was involved in the JFKA and you balked. I took that to mean you know of no such evidence. 

For newcomers to the thread, here's the transcript of Dr. Grover Proctor's 12/21/2015 presentation on the phone call:

https://istoriaministries.com/oswaldslastphonecalltranscript/

I also recommend Greg Doudna's Education Forum thread "The Raleigh Phone Call Revisited":

https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/27552-the-raleigh-phone-call-revisited/

For those who would rather watch a video first, here are two videos by Dr. Proctor on the phone call:

"Oswald's Phone Call"

"Dr. Grover Proctor: Uncut Interview"

Newcomers to the thread might want to ask Michael T. Griffith where in that transcript is there evidence that someone other than Oswald took part in the assassination. He's never presented any such evidence even though I've challenged him to do so several times. All he does he point out anomalies and pretend those are reason enough to doubt the conclusions of the Warren Commission. He thinks he can prove something simply by raising these questions. He never bothers to try to find answers to his questions because he knows he will not like the answer.