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Online Tom Scully

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Born in 1937, Married 5X, no known grave or date of death....

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/279737303/nancy_elaine-wilson_musachio_perrin_rich_hamiltonh s

Link to research supporting the low threshold that Nancy at least was not a nutcase,:

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Contract_on_America/kvtu2CdJMl8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=nancy+perrin+david+cherry&pg=PA202&printsec=frontcover
Contract on America
The Mafia Murder of President John F. Kennedy
By David E. Scheim · 1988
Page 202

More research results on Col. Castorr who matched the desciption by Nancy Rich Perrin,
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/25605-49th-armored-division/
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Offline Lance Payette

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I just reread her WC testimony. What a piece of work! I'm not sure Leon Hubert knew what to make of her. Another one of those JFKA characters Damon Runyon* couldn't have invented.

*The adjective Runyonesque refers to the type of character and the type of situations and dialog that Runyon depicts. He spun humorous and sentimental tales of gamblers, hustlers, actors, and gangsters, few of whom go by "square" names, preferring instead colorful monikers such as "Nathan Detroit", "Benny Southstreet", "Big Jule", "Harry the Horse", "Good Time Charley", "Dave the Dude", or "The Seldom Seen Kid". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damon_Runyon

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I just reread her WC testimony. What a piece of work! I'm not sure Leon Hubert knew what to make of her. Another one of those JFKA characters Damon Runyon* couldn't have invented.

*The adjective Runyonesque refers to the type of character and the type of situations and dialog that Runyon depicts. He spun humorous and sentimental tales of gamblers, hustlers, actors, and gangsters, few of whom go by "square" names, preferring instead colorful monikers such as "Nathan Detroit", "Benny Southstreet", "Big Jule", "Harry the Horse", "Good Time Charley", "Dave the Dude", or "The Seldom Seen Kid". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damon_Runyon

Sorry Lance, The DPD accepted the results of the vetting they did of Nancy in October, 1963.:

Nancy was reccommended by the Sacramento, CA chief deputy distruct attorney in October, 1963.
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh21/pdf/WH21_Rich_Ex_1.pdf

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https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh26/pdf/WH26_CE_3059.pdf
FEDERALBUREAU OF INVESTIG- iON
12/6/63
Da.
PAUL T. RAYBURT1, 6329 Saratoga Circle, was
' .Interviewed at the Dallas Police Department, at which
time he furnished the follcaing infotmation :
RAYBURN is a detective on the Dallas Police
Department presently assigned to the Juvenile Division .
Sometime during the Serer of 1961, he became acquainted
with NANCY ELAINE PERRIN who, at that time, was employed
as a waitress at the Carousel Club in Dallas, Texas .
RAYBURN became well acquainted with PERRIN and lmc%, her
on a close personal basis . RAYBURN described PERRIN as
being a "psychopathic liar," who got great delight out of
telling wild tales. RAYBURN believed that PERRIN actually
believed these stories herself after she had told them
several times...
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Sorry Lance, The DPD accepted the results of the vetting they did of Nancy in October, 1963.:

Nancy was reccommended by the Sacramento, CA chief deputy distruct attorney in October, 1963.
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh21/pdf/WH21_Rich_Ex_1.pdf

They did? I happen to like Nancy and think she's a hoot, but this is all from the FBI interviews, https://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh26/pdf/WH26_CE_3059.pdf:

Carl Dahl, Oakland Police, Intelligence Section: Nancy volunteered "fanciful information" of "no substance" that was apparently a "product of her imagination." He would give "little credence" to her tales and regarded her as "emotionally unstable."

Cy Victorson, her attorney: Nancy is a "habitual liar" who "found it very difficult to tell the truth." She was continually telling "wild tales" that were "so ridiculous that no one could possibly believe them."

Paul Rayburn, DPD detective: Nancy is a "psychopathic liar" who "got great delight out of telling wild tales."

Dave Cherry, who had several encounters with her at night clubs: Nancy is "mentally deranged" and "incoherent in her speech."

I actually didn't find anything positive about Nancy.

FBI interview with a former employer and his secretary that is in the same "teller of tall tales" vein: https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh26/pdf/WH26_CE_3060.pdf

The HSCA noted that the FBI gave Nancy a polygraph examination:

"She  was  extremely  nervous  and  indicated  she  had  taken  the  drug methadrine  on  the  date  of  the  examination. The  polygraph  examiner concluded  the  test  results  were  inconclusive  based  on  Rich’s past  medical  history  and  use  of  drugs.  The  FBI  report  went  on to  state:

The  examiner  observed  however  that  significant  emotional responses  recorded  by  the  polygraph  led  the  examiner  to  believe Perrin’s  story  regarding  Cuban  arms  meetings  is  untrue. The  examiner  is  of  the  opinion  she  has  a tendency  to  delusions of  grandeur."


Hence, the HSCA didn't investigate Nancy's story of Ruby being involved in gunrunning to Cuba.
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Just what we needed. We didn't have enough CT rabbit holes to go down.

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Just what we needed. We didn't have enough CT rabbit holes to go down.

You, sir, are a sourpuss. Nancy is an absolute hoot and rabbit holes are the only entertainment we have! Get with the program, willya?

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You, sir, are a sourpuss. Nancy is an absolute hoot and rabbit holes are the only entertainment we have! Get with the program, willya?

After dealing with this nonsense off and on for the last 35 years, I just can't take any of it seriously. It never ceases to amaze me the lengths people will go to in order to make the case for conspiracy.

The CT community as a whole has been stuck in neutral for all of those 35 years and probably a hell of a lot longer than that. what have hey accomplished and what do they think they are going to accomplish by bringing up these non-issues over an over again. That have been spinning their wheels for as long as I have been involved in the conversation, Haven't they noticed their car isn't going anywhere. Do they really think they are actually going to solve this case with a different answer than what the DPD came up with in the first 12 hours? Do they think some magic piece of evidence is suddenly going to pop up out of nowhere that's going to finally provide them the proof they've been looking for six decades?

The reality is that none of them are actually trying to solve anything. They just want to find reasons to reject the WC findings. None of them will ever tell us how they think the assassination actually went down. That would require them to build a case and that requires real evidence that answers the key questions of who, what, where, when, and how. The why will likely never be known. Not even the WC could prove why Oswald did it. But they clearly answered the other five. The what, where, and when are givens. JFK was assassinated in Dealey Plaza in Dallas on 11/22/1963. All that is needed to solve the case is the who and the how. The WC answered those questions with ample evidence to support both answers. The CTs rarely even try. Their whole game is to invent excuses to reject the answers the WC gave us. I would actually respect a CT who at least tried to answer the key questions. I can't remember when I ever saw a CT try to do that.