How do we identify the lunatic fringe of conspiracy thinking?

[Dan O'meara]

Nutters like Lance are non-conspiracy theorists [NCTs]
Like all true Nutters, he believes that Oswald shooting JFK is a FACT.
IT IS NOT.
It is just another theory.
He cannot accept this even though he pretends that he does.
Lance belongs to the Lunatic Fringe of Nutters. Tinfoil Nutters. Just like John Corbett and "Richard Smith"
Then there are LNers like Charles Collins and John Mytton.
Honest researchers who have worked their way to their own conclusions.
Not like the spoon-fed losers who have recently emerged on this forum.

[Tom Graves]

Nutters like Lance are non-conspiracy theorists [NCTs]
Like all true Nutters, he believes that Oswald shooting JFK is a FACT.
IT IS NOT.
It is just another theory.
He cannot accept this even though he pretends that he does.
Lance belongs to the Lunatic Fringe of Nutters. Tinfoil Nutters. Just like John Corbett and "Richard Smith"
Then there are LNers like Charles Collins and John Mytton.
Honest researchers who have worked their way to their own conclusions.
Not like the spoon-fed losers who have recently emerged on this forum.

And then there are zombified-by-KGB-disinfo CTs like you, danny BOY o'meara.

[Dan O'meara]

And then there are zombified-by-KGB-disinfo CTs like you, danny BOY o'meara.

Why are you constantly blowing the KGB's c£ck?
If it wasn't for you no-one on this forum would have any thought about Russia or the KGB or anything like that.
Your endless promotion of Russia is recorded on this thread.
You are such a Pinko loser it defies belief.
You used to mean something.
What happened to you?

[Tom Scully]

What new evidence? The arguments being made today are the same ones I saw 35 years ago when I first started discussing the JFKA online. I occasionally see new arguments made, but no new evidence. Just a whole lot of nothing burgers.

Instead of engaging in debate....

https://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/fora/showthread.php?tid=15982&pid=125273#pid125273
01-09-2019, 09:51 PM
Jim DiEugenio Wrote:
Tom, I like you personally and I think you usually do good work and I defended you when people were attacking your approach at EF

But I am at a loss to explain how you fell for Carpenter. This is a guy who writes for Max Holland....

I only presented what author Carpenter claimed he found in the Clay Shaw archive because I was attempting to verify that my discovery, uninfluenced by Carpenter in any way, was actually original research. 

My inquiry began when I noticed in the Garrison Files that attorney Monte Lemann had been approached by someone in CIA leadership to sign off on
the hiring of William P. Burke as the first head of the new NOLA CIA Domestic Contacts office.

Lemann's son, Stephen, was accused by Garrison of being the CIA paymaster in New Orleans. Mary Ferrell's file card on Stphen B Lemann described him
as head of the NOLA CIA Domestic Contacts office.

Monte Lemann's other son, Thomas Lemann, happened to be the father of Nicholas Lemann.
.
In 1947 recently widowed Monte Lemann had married Mildred Crumb Lyons.

Monte's new bride in 1947 had the same name as her daughter, Mildred Lyons.
So, Monte's second wife, Mildred, was the mother of Mildred Lyons Baldwin, mother-in-law of David Baldwin, stepmother of
Stephen and Thomas Lemann, and the step-grandmother of Thomas's son, Nicholas Lemann.

-snip-
PLEASE BEAR IN MIND THAT THE FACTS I'VE PRESENTED IN THIS THREAD SUPPORT TOM PURVIS'S OPINION GARRISON, TOM BETHELL, HIS FRIEND NICHOLAS LEMANN, HIS UNCLE, STEPHEN B. LEMANN, AND "THE CIA PEOPLE" AUTHOR JOAN MELLEN DESCRIBED TO REX BRADFORD IN A 2006 INTERVIEW, WERE ALL ON THE SAME SIDE, the smokescreen side.
-snip-

https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Unredacted_-_Episode_1_-_Transcript.html
Episode_1_-_Transcript.html
Unredacted Episode 1: Transcript of Interview with Joan Mellen Joan Mellen is the author of A Farewell to Justice: Jim Garrison, JFK's Assassination, and the Case That Should Have Changed History. This interview was conducted on 22 Feb 2006.
.......JOAN: when Baldwin was present, he was a CIA asset, his brother worked for the International Trade Mart and Clay Shaw, David Baldwin, and these, these are CIA people. Malcolm O'Hara is sitting there he doesn't know what hit him and eventually Strate did not cooperate, and he went up there, and he attacked Sheridan of course, Sheridan had immunity nothing anyone could say about Sheridan whether in court, affidavits signed against Sheridan, Sheridan had immunity as a National Security Agency asset, cleared for FBI work, cleared for CIA work, working for the Department of Justice -…....

[Dan O'meara]

Instead of engaging in debate....

I only presented what author Carpenter claimed he found in the Clay Shaw archive because I was attempting to verify that my discovery, was uninfluenced by Carpenter in any way,

My inquiry began when I noticed in the Garrison Files that atorney Monte Lemann had been approached by someone in CIA leadership to sign off on
the hiring of William P. Burke as the first head of the new NOLA CIA Domestic Contacts office.

Lemann's son, Stephen, was accused by Garrison of being the CIA paymaster in New Orleans. Mary Ferrell's file card on Stphen B Lemann described him
as head of the NOLA CIA Domestic Contacts office.

Monte Lemann's other son, Thomas Lemann, happened to be the father of Niccholas Lemann.
.
In 1947 recently widowed Burke had married Mildred Crumb Lyons.

Monte's new bride in 1947 had the same name as her daughter, Mildred Lyons.
So, Monte's second wife, Mildred, was the mother of Mildred Lyons Baldwin, mother-in-law of David Baldwin, stepmother of
Stephen and Thomas Lemann, and the step-grandmother of Thomas's son, Nicholas Lemann.

Hiya Tom, I've seen you post so much over recent years but don't have the first clue what you actually think about the assassination.
What do you think and why do you think it?

[Lance Payette]

Nutters like Lance are non-conspiracy theorists [NCTs]
Like all true Nutters, he believes that Oswald shooting JFK is a FACT.
IT IS NOT.
It is just another theory.
He cannot accept this even though he pretends that he does.
Lance belongs to the Lunatic Fringe of Nutters. Tinfoil Nutters. Just like John Corbett and "Richard Smith"
Then there are LNers like Charles Collins and John Mytton.
Honest researchers who have worked their way to their own conclusions.
Not like the spoon-fed losers who have recently emerged on this forum.

Wipe that spittle off your screen and try reading some of my posts. I am not a "Tinfoil Nutter" by a long shot.

As I have educated you previously, your use of the phrase "just a theory" is badly misinformed. Like it or not, at this point the LN narrative is the only scenario that qualifies as a theory. At this point, there is no other narrative that has advanced beyond the stage of raw speculation - not even a hypothesis. There is no other "theory" apart from the internally coherent, evidence-based and repeatedly confirmed LN narrative. Breaking news: "I think I can play defense counsel and raise reasonable doubt about 17 aspects of the LN narrative" is not a theory.

The fact is, you are MTG Jr. - well-informed, I'm sure, and reasonably intelligent, I'm sure - but Exhibit A Jr. for what the lunatic fringe looks like. That is why you, like MTG, live on a steady diet of ad hominem attacks and straw man arguments. At some level, you know you aren't thinking clearly or making any sense, so all you can do is attack the messengers who point this out.

[Tom Scully]

Hiya Tom, I've seen you post so much over recent years but don't have the first clue what you actually think about the assassination.
What do you think and why do you think it?

I think that some very influential people were alarmed enough in reaction to demands growing stronger in 1966 - 67 to reopen the flawed WC investigsation
to influence them to make the proposals to reopen the JFKA investigation appear to be ridiculous, fringe.

After the 3 hour jury deliberation resulting in the Shaw not guilty verdict, there was no additional official inquiry for the next seven years, until 1975.

Garrison landed on his feet, after representing himself and miraculous winning not guilty verdicts on all federal charges. Considering a federal department of justice
conviction rate above 90%, it is not unreasonable to believe he had played his part in what amounted to a show trial.

The late Tom Purvis argued strenuously in posts on the Ed Forum that Garrison had people much more powerful than he in the New Orleans power structure,
some of which is comprised of secret societies that to this day do not reveal their membership. He shared that Burke's daughter, his wife, and her mother had all been Queens of Comus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistick_Krewe_of_Comus
....Carnival secrecy and exclusivity
The Mistick Krewe has jealously guarded the identities of its membership and the privacy of its activities (other than its parade), perhaps even more than the other Carnival organizations subscribing to the traditional code of secrecy.
....Meeting of the courts
The Mistick Krewe of Comus also originated another Carnival tradition: the "Meeting of the Courts". The practice originated in 1882, when Rex (the King of Carnival) and his Queen paid a formal visit to the throne of Comus.[8] This ritualized meeting eventually evolved into the symbolic conclusion of the Mardi Gras season, a practice which continues to this day.

Although Rex is the titular King, some observers[who?] believe that the Meeting of the Courts – in which Rex leaves his own festivities and is received by a seated Comus at the Mistick Krewe's bal masque – establishes Comus as the more prestigious of the two organizations in the Carnival hierarchy....

Seems an impressive amount of heavy lifting, if indeed the JFKA assassin was in truth a lone nut acting outside of any conspiracy!

Who "owned" Willard Robertson? He came to NOLA around 1950 to set up a sales office for a West Haven, CT small metal hull boat builder
that soon went bankrupt. He left his wife and two children for the 23 year old secretary he hired.  Somehow, he landed exclusive importation
and distribution rights for Volkswagen of America southeast region dealerships. He became an important financial backer of both Garrison's
and the then Governor's political careers.

He died in 1983, leaving an estate reported to be $30 million. He was the only "nobody" selected by Volkswagen for a regional distribution monopoly....
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F2/803/136/381311/?__cf_chl_f_tk=zrqboHTKHit.HG7jUPDwcZZnrvPoA72ZRZHRHefGOYc-1783035456-1.0.1.1-NU47McDgs9gZOO_hjsNT5XWv3_65gaiQmmkb.ap7xZA

Playing "both sides"...

Ed Butler's first cousin Rance was Gordon Novel's partner and Novel was ushered into this saga by Robertson.

https://www.jfk-online.com/jpsebinca.htmlJerry P. Shinley Archive: Ed Butler and the Information Council of the ...
Prominently on hand was Volkswagen dealer Willard E. Robertson, who donated a microbus (NOTP; June 8, 1962; Section 3, p 11). Interestingly, it was Robertson who recommended Gordon Novel to Jim Garrison...