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Online John Corbett

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Re: Which Six Books Would You Recommend to a Newcomer?
« Reply #49 on: Yesterday at 09:28:08 PM »
-Lance-

I thought about it (I read it couple of years ago) but think the learning curve is quite steep for a new student of the case. Same goes for dr. John Newman's Oswald and the CIA.

There is a mind-boggling array of books on the assassination. Just to pick six for a newbee is not easy.

It is if you limit the choices to those worth reading. If I do that, I don't think I could come up with six.

Online David Von Pein

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Re: Which Six Books Would You Recommend to a Newcomer?
« Reply #50 on: Today at 01:53:00 AM »
Wow, so you wouldn't recommend a single pro-conspiracy book to a newcomer...

That's correct, I wouldn't.

But if I was being forced at gunpoint by a foaming-at-the-mouth conspiracy fantasist to recommend just one conspiracy-leaning JFKA book, it would be this one by Gus Russo:



But there are some big problems with that book too, which I talk about HERE.


...and you'd recommend the Warren Commission's report to a newcomer but not the House Select Committee on Assassinations report.

That's correct. And that's because the HSCA's Dictabelt-based conclusion that JFK "was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy" has since been completely discredited and disproven.

But the first five conclusions that we find on THIS PAGE of the HSCA's Final Report are things that should be read by everybody. (And those 5 findings have never been proven to be wrong.)


On a side note, did you not notice that the thread is about which six books you'd recommend to a newcomer, not which 10 books.




FYI, the 10 books that you list contradict each other on some key issues, such as the location of the rear head entry wound, the trajectory of the back-wound bullet, the location of the back wound, the position of JFK and Connally in the limo during the alleged hit of the single-bullet theory, and the 6.5 mm object on the autopsy skull x-rays.

But each of those books does something that no pro-conspiracy book has ever done --- i.e., follow the actual evidence in the case to where it all leads—a single gunman named Lee Harvey Oswald—without resorting to conjecture, speculation, guesswork, and unsupportable claims of fake evidence.
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Online Tom Scully

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Re: Which Six Books Would You Recommend to a Newcomer?
« Reply #51 on: Today at 10:17:44 AM »
I will attempt to answer this seriously, without descending into the pathetically juvenile silliness that all too often characterizes my self-amusing contributions.  :D :D :D

I recalled this same discussion from the Ed Forum in 2018. Fred Litwin had listed the usual LN staples, and I added:

To [Fred's] list, I would add:

OSWALD'S GAME - Jean Davison
MARINA AND LEE - Priscilla Johnson McMillan
OSWALD'S TALE - Norman Mailer
OSWALD: RUSSIAN EPISODE - Ernst Titovets
LEGEND - Edward Jay Epstein

Yes, yes, I know, the first three at least are staples of the Lone Nut community.  (Epstein's work, of course, is approximately 180 degrees removed from the currently prevailing Deep Politics theories, which is why he is dismissed as either a CIA dupe or disinformation agent.)  I believe it is CRITICAL, before bogging down in minutiae and theories, to gain as much of an understanding as possible of WHO LEE HARVEY OSWALD REALLY WAS.  I would've saved myself a lot of time and money if I had taken that approach.


I still strongly agree with this. The biggest mistake anyone can make, in my opinion, is to dive into the conspiracy literature. You'll end up cross-eyed and confused, quite possibly beyond all redemption. I started with Best Evidence and High Treason, for God's sake. How I escaped, I'm still not entirely sure.

I would also strongly suggest that a newcomer spend some time in the psychological and sociological literature regarding the conspiracy-prone mindset. You might even recognize yourself, as I did! At a minimum, you will have a much better perspective when you dive into the conspiracy literature.

Lance, I expect you will agree research as detailed and well supported as the following just doesn't grow on trees.

Marina and Lee - Priscilla Johnson McMillan

David Lifton found Priscilla and Marina trustworthy interacting with them personally, and reacted to my research results by shooting me, the messenger.

Jackie's sister's father-in-law, Cass Canfield, authorized the advances for books to be written both by William Manchester and Priscilla Johnson.

He appears to be behind the introduction of George McMillan and Priscilla, through Cass's and George's mutual connection with the winter season,
Aiken, SC polo conmunity.
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Cass Canfield, 70, Plans a Busy Career as Editor; Past and Future
August 20, 1967
...The projects range from a book on India by the young novelist Ved Mehta, an anthology of true spy stories by Allen W. Dulles, former head of the Central Intelligence Agency, and a new modern history by several Columbia University professors, to personal interviews with a score of writers ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_a_President

https://ia801800.us.archive.org/31/items/MarinaAndLee/Marina%20and%20Lee%20by%20Priscilla%20Johnson%20McMillan.pdf
MarinaAndLee
[PDF]“McMillan achieves with art what the Warren Commission failed to
Marina Oswald and Priscilla Johnson McMillan hit it off immediately. McMillan then signed a contract with Harper & Row for a book about Lee Oswald for which she received an advance of $60,000.

https://www.nytimes.com/1986/03/28/obituaries/cass-canfield-a-titan-of-publishing-is-dead-at-88.html
March 26, 1986
....Mr. Canfield, who joined the company in 1924, was president from 1931 to 1945, chairman of the board from 1945 to 1955, and chairman of the executive committee from 1955 to 1967, when he became Harper & Row's house senior editor, a post he retained until his death. He served as a director of the company until 1967, and became an honorary director in 1969.

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Michael Temple Canfield was an American diplomatic aide and later London editorial representative for Harper & Row. Adopted by publisher Cass Canfield and Katherine Temple Emmet, he served at the U.S. Embassy in London under Ambassadors Winthrop W. Aldrich and John Hay Whitney during the Eisenhower administration. Twice married—to Lee Bouvier, sister of Jacqueline Kennedy, and later Frances Laura Charteris—he died of a heart attack in 1969 at age 43.

Born: Aug 20, 1926 (Bern)
Died: Dec 20, 1969 (Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada)

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/royal-family-us-diplomat-illegitimate-28755039
....Prince George, Duke of Kent is said to have been the father of the diplomat(
....
And, according to the memoirs of Loelia, Duchess of Westminster, King Edward VIII believed his brother Prince George had an illegitimate son with Kiki Preston, a "glamorous but drug-addicted American socialite who was a member of the Happy Valley set."

Kiki was known by her nickname 'the girl with the silver syringe' owing to her heroine addiction....
......
It is believed that the couple's illegitimate child was Michael Temple Canfield, an American diplomatic aide during the Eisenhower administration.

Canfield was born in Switzerland in 1926 and was adopted by Katherine Temple and her then-husband publishing executive, Cass Canfield.

The sister of James A Thomas, the NY Times described James, who reported Stuart missing, as the last person to see Stuart Johnson, Priscilla's father, alive in 1969, is described below as a Dulles cousin. She served as maid of honor in the wedding of Allen Dulles's daughter, Clover. Priscila answered a question during her HSCA testimony about
the 14 year interlude between receipt of a $60,000 advance from publisher, Harper, and publication of Marina and Lee in 1977.
Priscilla responded by saying she was so affected by her father's sudden death, which she described as a "hidden suicide", that it was
the principal reason for the long delay in finishing the book. She also credited editor Wyeth for his long patience in not pressuring her to complete the book.


https://paw.princeton.edu/memorial/marion-s-wyeth-jr-48
Marion S. Wyeth Jr. ’48 | Princeton Alumni Weekly
Feb 8, 2012 · Buz Wyeth legendary editor at HarperCollins Publishers, who edited Old Yeller, With Malice Toward None, Paper Lion, Out of My League, and The Boys of Summer, among many other titles, died …

Wyeth's architect father happened to reside two residences away from the Philip Sharples (located at end of Woodbridge, on left in photo), DeMohrenschildt in-laws, on a dead end street in West Palm Beach, FL.

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...the lot just below the "W" in Woodbridge Rd., was the residence from 1940 to 1983 of the architect father

of Priscilla Johnson's second Harper editor, the very patient and understanding Marion S. Wyeth, Jr. Two doors down

from Wyeth, Sr. at the end of very end of Woodbridge Rd. on the left, was the longtime residence of DIdi Sharples' parents,

the Philip Sharples. " Mrs. Philip Sharples, 185 Woodbridge Rd. Georgian brick house. Beautifully landscaped to lake, charming
rock and water garden beside entrance court "
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1.) Eleanor Lansing Thomas was the sister-in-law of Hugh Aynseworth's editor at Newsweek, Osborn Elliott.
2.) This is an excerpt from the New York Times reporting about the death of Prisicilla's father Stuart Johnson, excerpted from the full article
displayed below.:

....Fell Leaving House
A widower who lived alone, he had dined last night at the home of Mr. and Mrs. James A. Thomas at
7 Wood Lane in neighboring Locust Valley.

As he stepped out of the house to get into his car, according to his hosts, he fell to the walk.
They said they helped him to his feet, and, although he appeared dazed, he insisted on driving home...

3.) James A. Thomas was the brother of Eleanor Lansing Thomas who was the sister-in-law of Osborn Elliott.
4.) In the Clover Dulles wedding article displayed below, it is stated that Clover Dulles's (daughter of former CIA director, Allen W. Dulles)
maid of honor was Clover's cousin, Eleanor Lansing Thomas. Eleanor's brother, James A. Thomas, must also have been
a cousin of Clover Dulles and her father Allen.
5.) Priscilla Johnson Mcmillan informed the HSCA in transcribed statements classified and withheld by the CIA for the fifteen years
following her 1978 testimony, that she believed that the circumstances of her father Stuart's death were covered up. James A. Thomas,
a cousin of Allen W. Dulles and the brother of Osborn Elliott's sister-in-law, was reported to be the person most involved in the cover up
described by Priscilla Johnson McMillan in statements she had made to the HSCA.

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[2] Declassified documents show that Dallas reporter Hugh Aynesworth was in contact with the Dallas CIA office and had on at least one occasion "offered his services to us." The files are chock full of Aynesworth informing to the FBI, particularly in regard to the Garrison investigation. See for example an account of lengthy FBI meeting with Aynesworth on 26 Apr 1967 re: Garrison and 5 May 1967 Domestic Intelligence Division note. See also a CIA 27 Dec 1967 account of a phone call in which Aynesworth is said to have offered to secure documents "extracted" from Garrison's files (by William Gurvich). Also of note is a message Aynesworth sent to George Christian at LBJ's White House, in which Aynesworth wrote that "My interest in informing government officials of each step along the way is because of my intimate knowledge of what Jim Garrison is planning." See Jim DiEugenio's Hugh Aynesworth: Refusing a Conspiracy is his Life's Work. :
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http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Essay_-_Kennedys_Ghost#fn_2
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[1] Soviet expert and former journalist Priscilla Johnson McMillan has admitted she applied to work for the CIA in 1952, though she later withdrew her application and was never hired. In her HSCA testimony, declassified in 1993 (see part 1 and part 2), she said that she had only two witting contacts with CIA officers, the latest in 1962. However, either her witting contacts were more extensive than admitted, or she was unwitting of the CIA status of some of those with whom she dealt (or perhaps "don't ask, don't tell" was the modus operandi). An 11 Dec 1962 CIA report of a meeting with Priscilla Johnson stated that she "had been an OO source" (OO: Office of Operations) and had been "selected as a likely candidate to write an article on Yevtushenko in a major U.S. magazine for our campaign." Another CIA document states that she was approved for debriefing under Project [**]DINOSAUR on 3 May 1963. Another contact report from among the many CIA files relating to Ms. Johnson dates from early 1964. See Peter Whitmey's Priscilla Johnson McMillan and the CIA for more information, though that was written in 1994 before many of the documents were available. Ms. Johnson was also involved with Marina Oswald in the unlikely finding of a bus ticket, months after Marina's possessions had been searched by the Dallas Police and the FBI, finally providing "proof" that Oswald had indeed traveled to Mexico City. Commissioner Russell found the story of the bus ticket discovery difficult to believe - see 5WH601-603.

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Please compare Priscilla Johnson Mcmillan's suspicions about her father Stuart Johnson's sudden death in 1969, as she stated them in her 1978 HSCA testimony, classified by the CIA for the subsequent fifteen years, with what we now know.:

http://www.realhistoryarchives.com/collections/assassinations/jfk/pmcmil1.htm
HSCA Testimony
............................
[At this point 9 pages in a row are missing, with a sheet saying "Access Restricted" - Authority CIA (said HSCA but that was crossed out and "CIA" substituted.) Info withheld becuase of not Security-Classified Information, but "Otherwise Restricted Information" is checked (those were the only two options.) Her testimony has over 40 still classified
pages. But it's clear she met with the CIA.]
..........................................................................
[This woman recalls next to nothing in this whole 100+ page interview.   She says "I do not recall" more times than Oliver North!! Funny how she can recall everything Marina told her though - right? She was also one of the few to testify before the HSCA with her lawyer at her side, interfering now and then throughout.

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Sep 27, 2008 8:00 PM EDT
Remembering the legendary editor of NEWSWEEK
Osborn Elliott, a giant of American journalism and a tireless crusader for revitalizing America's cities, died on Sunday in New York City. He was 83.

....Elliott was hired by NEWSWEEK as business editor in 1955 and within four years became managing editor, the third-ranking job. When the newsweekly was put up for sale in 1960, Elliott and Ben Bradlee, then in NEWSWEEK's Washington bureau, conspired to persuade Philip Graham, president of the Washington Post Co., to make an offer for the magazine. Graham outbid the competition and installed Elliott as NEWSWEEK's editor. He was 36. (Bradlee would eventually become the Post's top editor.)....
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Can we finally lay JFK to rest?
Author: JOHN ANDERS  THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS (DAL)
Publish Date: DECEMBER 5, 1991

On the eve of Oliver Stone's eagerly awaited new film, JFK, is there still time to reintroduce one
radical assassination theory: That Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone, shot and killed John F. Kennedy on
Nov. 22, 1963, in Dallas, Texas? Could it be that simple?

At the risk of sounding naive, but in the absence of proof to the contrary, I choose to believe the
United States government. For some of us, even at the risk of having our knee-jerk liberal credentials
challenged, the most bizarre theory of all is that the Warren Commission lied to, or willingly withheld
the truth from, the American public. A recent poll showed that 83 percent of Americans reject the
Warren Commission's finding. Most of my friends, even the most learned and intelligent ones, seem to
believe in one conspiracy theory or another. If JFK stimulates debate and ventilates the controversy in
a healthy manner, then democracy is served. If the movie succeeds on purely filmic terms, then art has
triumphed. The makers of JFK do not purport to have the answers. They are producing a popular
entertainment, not a historical document. Make- believability And while it would be unfair to condemn
JFK or any film without having seen it, I have a feeling that the best way to watch this entertainment
is by repeating, "It's only a movie . . . it's only a movie . . . '

The foundation for the film, after all, is the largely discredited conspiracy theory
espoused by former New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison. Local author Hugh Aynesworth is a former
Dallas Morning News reporter who was at the site when the assassination occurred and in the Texas
Theatre when Oswald was captured. As a reporter for Newsweek several years later, he was the first to
poke holes in Mr. Garrison's theories that Kennedy was assassinated in a plot headed by New Orleans
businessman Clay Shaw. In May 1967, Mr. Aynesworth wrote a Newsweek column blasting what he called the
district attorney's distortion of facts and - bribing of witnesses. "In January of 1967, before his
probe became big-time, Garrison called me at Newsweek and told me he had solved the case,' remembers
Mr. Aynesworth, now South ern bureau chief for The Washington Times. "He said he thought we could share
information. At that point I wasn't about to say no. He invited me to his house and what I saw there
was a portrait of a sick man. He's unbalanced, unwieldy . . . even cowardly . I once saw him run back
into his office to escape a reporter. If you look back on the people he bullied during his
investigations, you'll find they were often homosexuals and Cuban refugees -- people who couldn't fight back.'

Witnessing weirdness

Mr. Aynesworth says that over a two-year period he discredited between 60 and 70 witnesses produced by
Mr. Garrison.
"As Garrison would discard them, they would come to me,' he says. "You've never seen such
a bunch of kooks. One of them called himself Julius Caesar. The guy wore a toga and had been convicted
of arson in San Francisco. Another said on the witness stand that he had been made sterile by police X-rays.
He also admitted that he would disguise himself in weird clothing whenever his daughter came to
visit. It was a sideshow.' He adds, "Garrison moved his theory around six or seven times. He was always
producing a new star witness. You've never seen such a group of phonies. Mr. Aynesworth believes anyone
would be foolish to discard the possibility of conspiracy. "But if the Mafia, for instance, wanted to
do it, they wouldn't have relied on a nut like Oswald. And Jack Ruby, who I'd known for years, was a
joke.' As for the Warren Commission, Mr. Aynesworth says, "You'll find some unthorough investigation
and some ineptitude. What you will not find is deceit.' Mr. Aynesworth's newest book (with co-author
Stephen Michaud) is titled Murderers Among Us: Unsolved Homicides, Mysterious Deaths, and Killers at
Large. The Kennedy assassination is not mentioned.

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Hugh Aynesworth's boss, Newsweek Editor in Chief, Osborn Elliott had this to say about Aynesworth, just a year after the death of
Priscilla Johnson McMillan's father, Stuart Johnson.:


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The news media--a service and a force - Page 26
http://books.google.com/books?id=GSobAQAAIAAJ
Howard Kingsbury Smith, Osborn Elliott, A. Merriman Smith - 1970
.....Let me cite a few other instances of the reporter's involvement in the events he is covering. Take last
summer in Chicago, for example. There is no question in my mind that certain police officers
deliberately assaulted members of the press who were covering events surrounding the convention— and
certainly there was no such question in the minds of eight Newsweek men who were battered by the police
while wearing clear identification as working reporters and photographers. (This was something,
incidentally, that could not be said for the constabulary's own methods of identifying itself; many of
the police officers removed their badges in the parade to make sure they could not be identified.) So
what should the press' reaction have been? In my view, its duty was to report what happened as
dispassionately as possible and later be willing to testify against whichever offending officers could
be identified. This is what our own men did. Or take the coverage of a more recent event—the trial of
Clay Shaw in New Orleans on charges that he conspired in the assassination of the late President
Kennedy. As it happened, Newsweek's chief reporter on the trial had spent literally thousands of man-
hours investigating the assassination itself and was considered a leading authority on the events that
followed. He had witnessed the assassination from close to the Texas School Book Depository and joined
the chase for Lee Harvey Oswald. He interviewed several of the witnesses at the Tippitt murder scene
and was in the Texas Theatre watching when Oswald was apprehended. He was just a few feet from Jack
Ruby when he shot Oswald, and he later interviewed Oswald's widow several times. It was he who
uncovered Oswald's Russian diary in mid-1964. He covered the entire Ruby trial and was the only
reporter inside at Ruby's funeral. In short, quite an expert— and someone that District Attorney Jim
Garrison was anxious to enlist on his side. But this reporter soon became convinced that Garrison had
no case whatsoever, and he made it his business to publicize this fact. The result was one of the first
critical stories published about Garrison— which was followed by a series of intimidating telephone
calls threatening the reporter's life. In Garrison's mind, this reporter and Newsweek had in effect
become co-defendants, and more than 1,100 prospective jurors were asked if they had read Newsweek's
critical story. We left this man on the story because we believed he was the best qualified to cover
it. And to this day, I am satisfied that he did so fairly and thoroughly. But I would not suggest for a
minute that subjectivity had not been involved— once again, in my view, in the interest of the truth.
Some of you may recall that our final story on Clay's acquittal was given only nine lines in the
magazine. It ran under the headline "Fact and Opinion," and in its entirety it read as follows:
"Acquitted: By a jury in New Orleans, exactly two years to the day after his arrest on charges of
conspiracy to murder John F. Kennedy, retired Louisiana businessman Clay L. Shaw, 55. Convicted: By a
case that collapsed at every seam, District Attorney Jim Garrison, 47, of incompetence and
irresponsibility as a public official." You can't get much more subjective than that or, in my opinion,
much closer to the truth. There are much larger issues, of course, that involve subjectivity in
journalism— indeed the very largest issues of the day— and for a publication such as my own, which has
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Friday, March 24, 2000
James Thomas Jr.

BECKET -- James A. Thomas Jr., 76, of Becket died Tuesday afternoon at Laurel Lake Center for Health and Rehabilitation in Lee.

Born in New York City on Dec. 9, 1923, son of James Augustus and Dorothy Quincy Read Thomas, he was a 1941 graduate of Deerfield Academy. He received his bachelor of arts degree in 1945 from Yale University and his law degree from Yale Law School in 1948.

He had resided in Becket since 1984.

He leaves his wife, the former Susan Norton; three sons, James Thomas of New York City, Ranald M. Thomas of Minneapolis, and Skeff Thomas of Pitman, N.J.; four daughters, Cameron Thomas of Lexington, Augusta Thomas of Cambridge, and Eleanor Thomas and Dorothy Thomas, both of New York City; two stepsons, William H. Stewart of Washington, and Douglas Stewart of Louisville, Colo.; a stepdaughter, Penelope Eagan of Sun Valley, Idaho; a sister, Eleanor T. Elliott of New York City, and 15 grandchildren.

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John "Jock" Elliott Jr., former chairman of the leading advertising agency Ogilvy & Mather and an authority on the history of Christmas, has died. He was 84. Elliott died of a cerebral hemorrhage Oct. 29 at a hospital in Mount Kisco, N.Y., said his wife, Eleanor Thomas Elliott....

....In addition to Eleanor, his wife of 49 years, Elliott is survived by his brother Osborn, a former editor of Newsweek magazine.

Eleanor Thomas Elliott, Barnard Figure, Dies at 80 - New York Times
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Dec 6, 2006 – Eleanor Thomas Elliott, an advocate for women's rights who successfully fought Columbia University's attempt to take over Barnard College in .

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Osborn Elliott - 1959 - ....
....Cass Canfield, Jr., has been an understanding, perceptive and imaginative friend and editor throughout, and for his warmth and judgment I am especially grateful. It is customary, in an introduction of this sort, for the author to end by thanking.....

An excerpt from a long post I wrote in May, 2012. :
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 Posted 20 May 2012 - 09:57 AM
I found only three threads in this forum (links displayed below) in which the name Cass Canfield is displayed. I think Canfield, the OSS, and the CIA and those who cooperated with them or were "run" by them, have wanted Canfield to be so obscure. If you look at the patterns below, you can see the links between Canfield and so many objects of our research. It seems obvious Canfield sponsored and united Priscilla Johnson and a "writer from Aiken, SC," George E. McMillan. The only question to be cleared up is who Canfield reported to.

Consider how the involved explanation of how Stalin's daughter ended up with Canfield - Evans - Johnson McMillan, reads like a cover story similar to the ones explaining away the coincidences of Priscilla Johnson being everywhere Lee Harvey Oswald and his wife, Marina were. The question comes up of who were the Kennedys and Bouviers, what bargains did they make and what did they know when they were making them, and afterwards? How did these "literary deals" and Jackie's sister's marriage to Canfield's adopted son influence the speech and actions of the members of the Kennedy and Bouvier families after the Assassination of JFK?*

*Original Research in this post Copyright 2012 , TJ Scully -
The original research displayed is the descriptions of the relationships between OSS, CIA, Cass Canfield, George E. McMillan and his one-time spouse, Priscilla Johnson McMillan, and with members of the John F. Kennedy and Jacqueline Bouvier families, as well as with Harper & Row Publishing and affiliated magazines, Harpers and Look. -

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http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=14441&st=15#entry168517

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Marina hired Priscilla's book agent. The net affect of Marina hooking up with Priscilla was literally bottling "Marina up", from early 1964 until 1978.

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http://www.google.com/search?q=knowlton+book+without+their+permission+for+at+least+a+year+after+Its+publication.+wyeth&tbs=nws:1,ar:1&source=newspapers

Oswald Widow's Book .By Lynn Galloon . - Google News

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Marina's New York Agent, Perry Knowlton, and Harper and Row editors have forbidden ... book without their permission for at least a year after Its publication.

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Book To Be Published In The Fall .Oswald's Widow Breaks Silence .

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Marina's New York Agent, Perry Knowlton, and Harper and Row editors have ... their permission for at least a year after its publication Harper and Row editor ..
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Re: Which Six Books Would You Recommend to a Newcomer?
« Reply #52 on: Today at 05:14:35 PM »
MG: Wow, so you wouldn't recommend a single pro-conspiracy book to a newcomer...

DVP: That's correct, I wouldn't.

And that says volumes about your credibility and objectivity.

But if I was being forced at gunpoint by a foaming-at-the-mouth conspiracy fantasist to recommend just one conspiracy-leaning JFKA book, it would be this one by Gus Russo: [Brothers in Arms: The Kennedys, the Castros, and the Politics of Murder] [SNIP]

Actually, Russo co-authored the book with Stephen Molton.

Anyway, your bombastic verbiage -- "forced at gunpoint by a foaming-at-the-mouth conspiracy fantasist" -- suggests a severe bias.

I, for one, would not need to have a "foaming-at-the-mouth lone-gunman theorist" put a gun to my head to get me to recommend a pro-WC book to a newcomer. I listed two anti-conspiracy books in my list of six books because I have enough objectivity and critical thinking skills to understand that it would show excessive bias and violate basic critical thinking principles to only recommend pro-conspiracy books to newcomers.

But there are some big problems with that book too, which I talk about HERE.

"Big problems," huh? That's curious because Brothers in Arms was widely acclaimed--it received positive reviews from scholars on both sides of the debate, from Anthony Summers to Daniel Schorr to Seymour Hersh.

You claim the book has "big problems" because your version of the assassination says that not only was Oswald the only gunman but that he had no accomplices of any kind at any point before or after the shooting, not even accessories before or after the fact.

MG: ...and you'd recommend the Warren Commission's report to a newcomer but not the House Select Committee on Assassinations report.

DVP: That's correct.

This is another statement that says volumes about your credibility and objectivity.

In other words, you'd recommend the report of a seven-member presidential commission, with a total staff of 27, that conducted an admittedly hurried investigation (fewer than 10 months), when we now know that three of the commission members disagreed with the report's key findings, but you wouldn't recommend the report of a select committee of the U.S. House of Representatives composed of 12 congressmen (only three of whom dissented) and that had a much larger staff, that consulted a much larger number and variety of experts, and that conducted a much longer investigation (nearly 2 years).

And that's because the HSCA's Dictabelt-based conclusion that JFK "was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy" has since been completely discredited and disproven.

If so, why do you suppose the lone-gunman view is rejected by 2/3 to 3/4 of the Western world? It's not like the lone-gunman view has suffered from a lack of cheerleading and advocacy by many legacy news outlets. Most people just don't buy what you're selling.

And the HSCA's acoustical evidence, far from having been "completely discredited and disproven," has been confirmed by new research done by BBN acoustical scientists from 2015 to 2018.

Furthermore, it cannot be repeated too often that the NRC/NAS panel that was formed to discredit the acoustical evidence (1) admitted  there's a 93% probability that the timing-movement correlations identified by the BBN scientists between the dictabelt and the Dealey Plaza test firing occurred because the dictabelt recorded gunfire in Dealey Plaza, and (2) admitted there's a 77.7% probability that the 144.9 impulse pattern, identified by the HSCA's acoustical scientists as gunfire from the grassy knoll, is in fact gunfire from the knoll.

But the first five [HSCA]conclusions that we find on THIS PAGE of the HSCA's Final Report are things that should be read by everybody. (And those 5 findings have never been proven to be wrong.)

Oh, boy. To put it more bluntly, you would cherry pick five findings that you like from a 734-page report and ignore the rest of the report.

BTW, as former HSCA staffers have explained, before BBN's chief scientist announced BBN's preliminary findings on the acoustical evidence, the HSCA had already found evidence of Ruby's significant Mafia ties, had already found evidence that the WC was mistaken about how Ruby entered the police basement to kill Oswald, had already found evidence that Ruby lied about why he shot Oswald, had already found evidence that Oswald was being impersonated in Mexico City in the weeks before the assassination, had already found evidence that someone was moving boxes in the sixth-floor window within 2 minutes after the assassination at a time when Oswald could not have been there, had already found evidence that Oswald associated with David Ferrie and Clay Shaw, and had already found evidence that Silvia Odio's account was credible.

But each of those books does something that no pro-conspiracy book has ever done --- i.e., follow the actual evidence in the case to where it all leads—a single gunman named Lee Harvey Oswald—without resorting to conjecture, speculation, guesswork, and unsupportable claims of fake evidence.

Actually, newcomers who read those books will quickly see that they contain plenty of "conjecture, speculation, guesswork," starting with the ludicrous and thoroughly debunked single-bullet theory (SBT).

Newcomers will also notice that pro-WC books markedly contradict each other regarding the timing of the shots, the timing of the hits, the location of JFK's rear head entry wound, the location of JFK's back wound, the trajectory of the SBT's alleged magic bullet through JFK and Connally, Oswald's motives, etc., etc.

Humm, could this be part of the reason that your view of the JFK assassination is rejected by 2/3 to 3/4 of the Western world?

 

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Re: Which Six Books Would You Recommend to a Newcomer?
« Reply #53 on: Today at 06:23:41 PM »
And that says volumes about your credibility and objectivity.

Why should LNs be objective. We figured out a long time ago that Oswald killed JFK by himself. It is no longer an open question. Hasn't been for a long, long time.
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Actually, Russo co-authored the book with Stephen Molton.

Anyway, your bombastic verbiage -- "forced at gunpoint by a foaming-at-the-mouth conspiracy fantasist" -- suggests a severe bias.

Yes it is. A bias toward the truth.
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I, for one, would not need to have a "foaming-at-the-mouth lone-gunman theorist" put a gun to my head to get me to recommend a pro-WC book to a newcomer. I listed two anti-conspiracy books in my list of six books because I have enough objectivity and critical thinking skills to understand that it would show excessive bias and violate basic critical thinking principles to only recommend pro-conspiracy books to newcomers.

You act as if this is a multiple choice exercise. It's not. There is only one truth.
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"Big problems," huh? That's curious because Brothers in Arms was widely acclaimed--it received positive reviews from scholars on both sides of the debate, from Anthony Summers to Daniel Schorr to Seymour Hersh.

You seem to have a low bar for whom you consider scholars.
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You claim the book has "big problems" because your version of the assassination says that not only was Oswald the only gunman but that he had no accomplices of any kind at any point before or after the shooting, not even accessories before or after the fact.

That's right. DVP didn't have trouble figuring this out. It's really pretty obvious Oswald did it and there is no credible evidence he had even a single accomplice. Given that the CT have had 62 years to search for evidence that somebody other than Oswald was complicit in the crime and have come up empty, why should anyone entertain the possibility others were involved.
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This is another statement that says volumes about your credibility and objectivity.

DVD has lots of credibility and anyone who looks at the evidence objectively and applies common sense will reach the same conclusions he has.
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In other words, you'd recommend the report of a seven-member presidential commission, with a total staff of 27, that conducted an admittedly hurried investigation (fewer than 10 months), when we now know that three of the commission members disagreed with the report's key findings, but you wouldn't recommend the report of a select committee of the U.S. House of Representatives composed of 12 congressmen (only three of whom dissented) and that had a much larger staff, that consulted a much larger number and variety of experts, and that conducted a much longer investigation (nearly 2 years).

You've always seemed to favor quantity over quality. It's reflected in your posts.
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If so, why do you suppose the lone-gunman view is rejected by 2/3 to 3/4 of the Western world? It's not like the lone-gunman view has suffered from a lack of cheerleading and advocacy by many legacy news outlets. Most people just don't buy what you're selling.

I'd estimate the 90+% of those people are ignorant of the evidence of Oswald's guilt and probably got most of their knowledge from Oliver Stone's shitty movie.
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And the HSCA's acoustical evidence, far from having been "completely discredited and disproven," has been confirmed by new research done by BBN acoustical scientists from 2015 to 2018.

Keep clinging to that crap. It's all you have.
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Furthermore, it cannot be repeated too often that the NRC/NAS panel that was formed to discredit the acoustical evidence (1) admitted  there's a 93% probability that the timing-movement correlations identified by the BBN scientists between the dictabelt and the Dealey Plaza test firing occurred because the dictabelt recorded gunfire in Dealey Plaza, and (2) admitted there's a 77.7% probability that the 144.9 impulse pattern, identified by the HSCA's acoustical scientists as gunfire from the grassy knoll, is in fact gunfire from the knoll.

Oh, boy. To put it more bluntly, you would cherry pick five findings that you like from a 734-page report and ignore the rest of the report.

The HSCA was a cluster. The only things it got right were the things they agreed with the WC on.
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BTW, as former HSCA staffers have explained, before BBN's chief scientist announced BBN's preliminary findings on the acoustical evidence, the HSCA had already found evidence of Ruby's significant Mafia ties, had already found evidence that the WC was mistaken about how Ruby entered the police basement to kill Oswald, had already found evidence that Ruby lied about why he shot Oswald, had already found evidence that Oswald was being impersonated in Mexico City in the weeks before the assassination, had already found evidence that someone was moving boxes in the sixth-floor window within 2 minutes after the assassination at a time when Oswald could not have been there, had already found evidence that Oswald associated with David Ferrie and Clay Shaw, and had already found evidence that Silvia Odio's account was credible.

Actually, newcomers who read those books will quickly see that they contain plenty of "conjecture, speculation, guesswork," starting with the ludicrous and thoroughly debunked single-bullet theory (SBT).

The SBT wins by default because in 62 years, no one has been able to offer a plausible alternative that explains JFK's non-fatal wounds and all of JBC's. No one can come up with another explanation that tells us where other shots could have been fired from and the wounds they could have caused. I know you won't be able to. If you could've you would've.
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Newcomers will also notice that pro-WC books markedly contradict each other regarding the timing of the shots, the timing of the hits, the location of JFK's rear head entry wound, the location of JFK's back wound, the trajectory of the SBT's alleged magic bullet through JFK and Connally, Oswald's motives, etc., etc.

Humm, could this be part of the reason that your view of the JFK assassination is rejected by 2/3 to 3/4 of the Western world?

The WC offered several possible scenarios. The consensus of modern LNs conforms to one of those scenarios, that the first shot missed, the second was the single bullet, and the third was the fatal headshot. None of that conflicts with the findings of the WC. The are a few nutty LNs who have come up with goofy alternatives but that is not the fault of the WC.

As for motive, no one can know for sure what Oswald's motive was nor is it necessary to prove why he did it to prove that he did it.
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Re: Which Six Books Would You Recommend to a Newcomer?
« Reply #54 on: Today at 06:48:44 PM »
If I were asked to provide a second list of six books that I'd recommend to a newcomer who wanted to gain a decent understanding of the JFK case, I'd recommend the following six additional books:

-- Not In Your Lifetime: The Assassination of JFK, by Anthony Summers. One of the all-time classics in JFK assassination research, this book argues for a conspiracy led by the Mafia and examines some of the problems with the case against Oswald. Summers has arguably interviewed more JFKA witnesses than any other scholar. 

-- Cover-Up, by Stewart Galanor. This book focuses on the evidence of multiple gunmen, including a grassy knoll gunman, and discusses some of the problems with the case against Oswald. It does not seek to identify who was behind the conspiracy.

-- JFK Medical Betrayal: Where the Evidence Lies, by Russell Kent. This is one of the best books ever written on the evidence of fraud in the autopsy photos and x-rays and on the problems with the lone-gunman interpretations of the medical evidence. Kent, a physiologist, consulted extensively with renowned forensic experts Dr. Vincent DiMaio, Dr. Henry Lee, and Dr. Cyril Wecht in his research for the book.

-- A Comforting Lie: The Myth That a Lone Gunman Killed President Kennedy, by yours truly. I've had several people tell me they thought my book was "the best book I have ever read" on the JFK case.

-- Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy, by Vincent Bugliosi. This is arguably the most detailed defense of the lone-gunman theory ever published, but it is ponderously long and sometimes hard to read due to poor writing.

-- Mortal Error: The Shot That Killed JFK, by Bonar Menninger (with Howard Donahue). This book argues that Oswald was the lone assassin, that Oswald fired two shots, and that there was no conspiracy, but that a Secret Service agent accidentally fired the shot that hit JFK in the head. It is based on the research of Howard Donahue, who was a court-certified ballistics and firearms expert (and also a world-class rifleman).

I should point out that I have read all the books that I recommend in the OP and in this reply. As a matter of principle, I don't recommend or criticize any books that I haven't read.
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Re: Which Six Books Would You Recommend to a Newcomer?
« Reply #55 on: Today at 07:06:36 PM »

Here's one book that very few have read, but one that carries a ring of truth... by one of the three tramps... Chauncey Holt's book, Self-Portrait of a Scoundrel...