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Online Michael T. Griffith

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Re: The bones of the skull
« Reply #14 on: Today at 08:21:51 PM »
So unable to provide a quote to support your assertion you use the kitchen sink approach and dump a whole lot of documents and expect me to go through them to find the quote that you claim exists. Specifically, in which of those documents does the FPP doggedly deny there was missing frontal bone?

LOL and Holy Cow! So the FPP's own head-wound diagrams don't count?!

And, umm, I already said that the FPP did not discuss the amount of missing frontal bone in their report. They "said" nothing specific about it, but in their diagrams they depicted the frontal bone as undamaged and they absurdly placed the triangular fragment in the parietal bone.

Have you STILL not looked at the FPP head-wound diagrams?

You have danced around the issue so much I don't even know which side you are taking.


Oh my! I have danced around the issue?! You must have written this howler in juvenile-teenager-provocation mode.

You've done nothing but dance and duck and dodge to avoid admitting you severely blundered in claiming that the FPP "identified a piece missing from the posterior of the frontal bone," when their own diagrams prove they did no such thing.

Do you side with the FPP who you CLAIM denied there was missing frontal bone or with McDonnel and Angel who said there was?

People who read this silliness are going to conclude that you either have a serious reading comprehension problem or that you are incapable of being candid and credible.

You cannot be so illiterate as to not understand that I have plainly and repeatedly said that the FPP was demonstrably wrong (1) for denying that the x-rays show a substantial amount of missing frontal bone, (2) for ignoring McDonnel's and Angel's conclusions about the amount of missing frontal bone, and (3) for bogusly placing the triangular fragment in the parietal bone.


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Online John Corbett

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Re: The bones of the skull
« Reply #15 on: Today at 08:41:49 PM »
LOL and Holy Cow! So the FPP's own head-wound diagrams don't count?!

And, umm, I already said that the FPP did not discuss the amount of missing frontal bone in their report. They "said" nothing specific about it, but in their diagrams they depicted the frontal bone as undamaged and they absurdly placed the triangular fragment in the parietal bone.

Have you STILL not looked at the FPP head-wound diagrams?
 

Oh my! I have danced around the issue?! You must have written this howler in juvenile-teenager-provocation mode.

You've done nothing but dance and duck and dodge to avoid admitting you severely blundered in claiming that the FPP "identified a piece missing from the posterior of the frontal bone," when their own diagrams prove they did no such thing.

People who read this silliness are going to conclude that you either have a serious reading comprehension problem or that you are incapable of being candid and credible.

You cannot be so illiterate as to not understand that I have plainly and repeatedly said that the FPP was demonstrably wrong (1) for denying that the x-rays show a substantial amount of missing frontal bone, (2) for ignoring McDonnel's and Angel's conclusions about the amount of missing frontal bone, and (3) for bogusly placing the triangular fragment in the parietal bone.

So whose version of the missing frontal bone do you endorse, McDonnel's or Angel's. McDonnel said the missing piece was from the posterior of the frontal bone which is nowhere near the hairline.

I asked you for a quote to support your assertion that the FPP doggedly denied there was missing frontal bone. Omitting a piece of the posterior of the frontal bone from their diagram of the head wound is not what I would call doggedly denying it. If you are unable to provide a quote to support your assertion, I can only conclude that you overspoke when you said the FPP doggedly denied there was missing frontal bone.

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Re: The bones of the skull
« Reply #16 on: Today at 10:16:09 PM »
So whose version of the missing frontal bone do you endorse, McDonnel's or Angel's. McDonnel said the missing piece was from the posterior of the frontal bone which is nowhere near the hairline.

So you're still trying to lie your way out of admitting your blunder.

As you know, I've already pointed out to you that you're only citing McDonnel's reading of the enhanced x-rays, which don't show some of the damage as clearly, and are ignoring the fact that he described a larger area of missing frontal bone in his reading of the unenhanced x-rays. I've also pointed out to you that Angel had the advantage of using the photos of the skull fragments, whereas McDonnel was not shown those photos and was only asked to read the x-rays.

But of course you just keep ignoring these facts.

I asked you for a quote to support your assertion that the FPP doggedly denied there was missing frontal bone. Omitting a piece of the posterior of the frontal bone from their diagram of the head wound is not what I would call doggedly denying it.

You're lying again. The FPP produced diagrams showing no missing bone from the frontal bone, and they absurdly placed the triangular fragment in the parietal bone, even though they knew better from their own radiology and forensic consultants. In fact, the FPP did not place any of the four skull fragments in the frontal bone.

[/quote]If you are unable to provide a quote to support your assertion, I can only conclude that you overspoke when you said the FPP doggedly denied there was missing frontal bone.[/quote]

No, this is just further proof of your lack of candor and of your poor knowledge of the medical evidence. As I've mentioned, the FPP avoided this issue like the plague in the text of their report. They carefully avoided saying anything about the amount of missing frontal bone in their report.

But, again, they produced diagrams that showed no bone missing from the frontal bone, diagrams that put all four of the skull fragments in other parts of the skull, not one in the frontal bone (see, for example, HSCA JFK Exhibit F-66).

And your response is to argue (with a straight face?) that this doesn't constitute denying there was missing frontal bone!

Yeah, never mind that even the least problematic x-ray reading from the FPP's expert consultants said a sizable piece of bone was missing from the rear of the frontal bone! And never mind that the FPP's expert consultant in skull-fragment identification and skull reconstruction said the triangular fragment was "clearly frontal bone" and produced diagrams showing that the missing frontal bone extended nearly to the hairline!

"Yeah, exactly. The FPP wasn't denying anything when they produced wound diagrams that showed no missing frontal bone, that didn't place any of the four skull fragments in the frontal bone, and that ignored what McDonnel and Angel told them," to paraphrase your silly dodge.

Let's approach your discrediting evasion by asking you a simple question regarding your blundering statement in your OP for this thread. You said,

The autopsy report stated the blowout in JFK's skull was "chiefly the parietal bone but extending somewhat into the temporal and occipital regions." The FPP also identified a piece missing from the posterior of the frontal bone.

Okay, which piece of skull did they identify as missing from the rear part of the frontal bone? Which one of the four skull fragments was it?

And keep in mind that the FPP claimed that those four fragments completed the large head wound and left "no additional pieces of bone missing" (HSCA RN 180-10120-10023, p. 2), so you have no wiggle room.