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Online Royell Storing

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Re: JFK Hands Never Go To-Or Toward-His Throat
« Reply #84 on: July 27, 2026, 10:22:40 PM »
I guess you didn't notice he is in the process of flipping his injured right arm upward, a motion he began at exactly the same frame JFK's arms started moving upward, frame Z226. The reacted at the same time because they were shot at the same time. Well, a couple milliseconds apart. Close enough.

   That's Wrong! Connally's (R) Arm does not move "upward".  His (R) shoulder DIPS, therefore his (R) arm is Dropping. Connally is turning around in the cramped Jump Seat area in order to face JFK and see what was going on in the Limo backseat. This is why we Never see Connally's (R) arm higher than the (R) side of the Limo.

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Re: JFK Hands Never Go To-Or Toward-His Throat
« Reply #85 on: July 27, 2026, 10:23:31 PM »
Hi James,

 My  Z frames are from the MPI DVD, I just brightened them up a little. 
I hope this frame 230 is what you need.


Best regards,
 Steve

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   In addition to the position of JFK's hands, this clear still frame displays how cramped Gov Connally was in that jump seat. No MAN normally holds their Stetson Hat like a woman clutching a baby to her chest. The dipping of the (R) shoulder is being done to permit Connally making his (R) turnaround in these very cramped conditions. There is extremely little space between the Jump Seat and the side of the car. This was made obvious when Connally was seated in the JFK Limo at Love Field. They had to be careful when closing that rear passenger door and Not banging Connally's (R) leg with that door. In order to turn and face JFK in the backseat behind him, Connally had to manipulate his (R) Arm to make that turn around. The dipping of the (R) shoulder permitted Connally to turn around and face JFK.   

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Re: JFK Hands Never Go To-Or Toward-His Throat
« Reply #86 on: July 28, 2026, 03:06:54 PM »
 Here you go, James.  Don't worry about asking for more frames. It's nothing at all to do this.

One thing we cannot do to prove anything when it comes to a person's reaction to trauma if it's filmed is base any conclusions based on a still frame from moving pictures. Base it on the actions of the individual caught in moving film/video when suffering their being wounded or hurt.


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Re: JFK Hands Never Go To-Or Toward-His Throat
« Reply #87 on: July 28, 2026, 03:21:55 PM »
Ann Donaldson said there were three shots in her Sixth Floor Oral History - the relevant parts are around the 20:00 minute mark.  She said there was a loud noise - the first shot - and then two more shots. 

You shouldn't believe everything you read in newspapers. Sometimes reporters get things wrong.
But as even the WC noted, and as Jack analyzes in Phantom Shot, witnesses tend to evolve in the direction of the "accepted narrative" - sometimes within mere hours or days. By the time of the Sixth Floor Museum interviews, witnesses may have convinced themselves that the "accepted narrative" is what they actually experienced.

I also find it kind of bizarre that anyone would call Nellie Connally's credibility into question for saying JFK clutched at his throat. To any real-world observer who isn't analyzing enhanced Z-film frames with a magnifying glass, that's exactly what it looks like. The Connallys strike me as fantastic witnesses.
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Re: JFK Hands Never Go To-Or Toward-His Throat
« Reply #88 on: July 28, 2026, 03:26:09 PM »
I doubt all the witnesses agree on what the accepted narrative is.

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Re: JFK Hands Never Go To-Or Toward-His Throat
« Reply #89 on: July 28, 2026, 03:29:46 PM »
   In addition to the position of JFK's hands, this clear still frame displays how cramped Gov Connally was in that jump seat. No MAN normally holds their Stetson Hat like a woman clutching a baby to her chest. The dipping of the (R) shoulder is being done to permit Connally making his (R) turnaround in these very cramped conditions. There is extremely little space between the Jump Seat and the side of the car. This was made obvious when Connally was seated in the JFK Limo at Love Field. They had to be careful when closing that rear passenger door and Not banging Connally's (R) leg with that door. In order to turn and face JFK in the backseat behind him, Connally had to manipulate his (R) Arm to make that turn around. The dipping of the (R) shoulder permitted Connally to turn around and face JFK.   

What you are seeing is JBC flipping his arm upward in an involuntary reflexive response to being shot in the wrist. That up and down arm flip began at Z226 and lasted 9 frames. It is the strongest indication we have of the validity of the SBT as it shows JFK and JBC reacting reflexively at the same instant.

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Re: JFK Hands Never Go To-Or Toward-His Throat
« Reply #90 on: July 28, 2026, 03:31:01 PM »
I doubt all the witnesses agree on what the accepted narrative is.

In this instance, the accepted narrative is obviously three shots. Two-shot witnesses tend to "get with the program." Not inevitably, but very often. This is especially likely to be true when all that is required to get with the program is to accept a noise that sounded sorta-kinda like a shot but didn't hit anything.