JFK Hands Never Go To-Or Toward-His Throat

[John Corbett]

I believe that's what we ex-lawyers call a non-responsive answer.

I'm not here to please ex-lawyers.

The issue is why JBC's shoulder raises abruptly. I noted that both Kellerman and Jackie seem to flinch - admittedly less - in the same direction at the same time. I further noted that when I whip around, my own shoulder raises noticeably. One possibility is that JBC's shoulder raised because he was hit by the same bullet that hit JFK; another possibility is that it was the natural consequence of him whipping his head around. I'm not arguing for one or the other, merely asking the question if we can be certain about the reason for JBC's shoulder movement. The answer is not a matter of common sense. You think it is because you assume the SBT is correct. This is the fallacy of begging (avoiding) the question. If we knew the SBT was correct, Steve's video and this thread would be pointless. This is what I have described before as your tendency to reason backwards: because we know the SBT is correct, it follows that this is why JBC's shoulder raises.

Why do you look at the shoulder raise in isolation with JBC's other movements. The facts that his right arm flipped upward at precisely the same moment JFK's arms started upward and that he was sitting in front of and slightly to JFK's left which put him directly in line with a bullet exiting JFK's throat should be enough to convince a person with common sense that they were hit by the same bullet.

I'll never understand why people want to complicate the JFKA when the answers are all so obvious. It's as if people don't want a clear answer. 

[Royell Storing]

I'm not here to please ex-lawyers.
Why do you look at the shoulder raise in isolation with JBC's other movements. The facts that his right arm flipped upward at precisely the same moment JFK's arms started upward and that he was sitting in front of and slightly to JFK's left which put him directly in line with a bullet exiting JFK's throat should be enough to convince a person with common sense that they were hit by the same bullet.

I'll never understand why people want to complicate the JFKA when the answers are all so obvious. It's as if people don't want a clear answer.

   "...DIRECTLY in line with a bullet exiting JFK's throat..."? Nobody knows the exact position of Connally relative to JFK when that shot struck JFK. They were behind the Stemmons sign. Stop trying to get by with just throwing  against the wall. 

[Lance Payette]

I'm not here to please ex-lawyers.
Why do you look at the shoulder raise in isolation with JBC's other movements. The facts that his right arm flipped upward at precisely the same moment JFK's arms started upward and that he was sitting in front of and slightly to JFK's left which put him directly in line with a bullet exiting JFK's throat should be enough to convince a person with common sense that they were hit by the same bullet.

I'll never understand why people want to complicate the JFKA when the answers are all so obvious. It's as if people don't want a clear answer.

Maybe he was just doing the Funky Chicken - ever think of that, huh, huh? It does seem to me that Jackie and Kellerman flinch at the same time, so I simply raise the question as to whether we can be sure that this is a reaction to being hit or possibly merely a reaction to a bullet whizzing past him. What we see JBC doing is pretty much exactly what he said he did, but for some reason he has been relegated to "the one person who had no idea what he was talking about."

[Steve Barber]

I believe that's what we ex-lawyers call a non-responsive answer. The issue is why JBC's shoulder raises abruptly. I noted that both Kellerman and Jackie seem to flinch - admittedly less - in the same direction at the same time. I further noted that when I whip around, my own shoulder raises noticeably. One possibility is that JBC's shoulder raised because he was hit by the same bullet that hit JFK; another possibility is that it was the natural consequence of him whipping his head around. I'm not arguing for one or the other, merely asking the question if we can be certain about the reason for JBC's shoulder movement. The answer is not a matter of common sense. You think it is because you assume the SBT is correct. This is the fallacy of begging (avoiding) the question. If we knew the SBT was correct, Steve's video and this thread would be pointless. This is what I have described before as your tendency to reason backwards: because we know the SBT is correct, it follows that this is why JBC's shoulder raises.

 It's both shoulders that rise, not one.  They both rise, simultaneously. And Connally wasn't already turning his head when his shoulder's moved upward. He is in the same position he was in the entire travel down Elm Street from the time he jerked his head to his right after having just turned his head to the left.  He jerked his head from left to right within 1/4 of a second, and so did JFK just before Connally did.   The Zapruder film un-spliced film shows this vividly.  Both men did the same, exact thing, except JFK jerked his head a fraction of a second before Connally did.  Watch the film. Connally never changed his position-other than taking his right hand off the top of the side of the car just before the car starts to disappear behind the Stemmons Freeway sign. The first time Connally shows ANY change in his body position is when his facial expression changes and his shoulders raise immediately after the facial expression change, within the next Z frame. 

[Lance Payette]

That is what the HSCA panel observed, although they had JFK’s “severe external stimulus” earlier:

Connally's movements as he emerges from behind the sign at Zapruder frames 222—224 also indicate that he is reacting to a severe external stimulus. He appears to be frowning and there is a distinct stiffening of his shoulders and upper trunk. Then there is a radical change in his facial expression and rapid changes begin to occur in the orientation of his head.

Orr has JBC being shot at Z236 and reacting at Z237, which does seem clearly incorrect even though he cites support from Six Seconds in Dallas and the three Parkland doctors who treated JBC (in terms of how JBC's body would have been oriented). It would seem to me that the critical question is when JFK was hit.

[David Von Pein]

It's both [of Connally's] shoulders that raise, not one. They both rise simultaneously.

Exactly! And Connally's necktie does a little dance too:






Lots more at these two links:

https://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2013/02/sbt-clips.html

https://Single-Bullet-Theory.blogspot.com

[John Corbett]

   "...DIRECTLY in line with a bullet exiting JFK's throat..."? Nobody knows the exact position of Connally relative to JFK when that shot struck JFK. They were behind the Stemmons sign. Stop trying to get by with just throwing  against the wall.

The were hidden for approximately 1 second. It is absurd to think there was any significant movement from the line of fire during that 1 second. We see JFK reemerge at Z225 about 1/6 of a second after he was struck. I think we can figure out the alignment of the two men from that.