JFK Hands Never Go To-Or Toward-His Throat

[John Corbett]

There is a significant change in JFK after z193:

The change may begin before z193 if the change in right hand is part of the reaction:

The only change in JFK after Z193 is he quit waving at the people to the right. There's lot's of footage of JFK not waving at various points in the motorcade. Why would anyone think that is significant.

Several witnesses put the first shot when JFK was between the lamp post and the Thornton sign (z190-z200).

I'm sure everyone's immediate reaction to the gunshot was to take note of the limo's position on Elm St.  <chuckle>

[Andrew Mason]

The only change in JFK after Z193 is he quit waving at the people to the right. There's lot's of footage of JFK not waving at various points in the motorcade. Why would anyone think that is significant.

Was he shot earlier in the motorcade? Witnesses said he was waving to people on the right when the first shot sounded and he immediately reacted to it.  Where else do you see that occurring?

I'm sure everyone's immediate reaction to the gunshot was to take note of the limo's position on Elm St.  <chuckle>

They likely would not have to make notes to remember seeing the President right in front of them being assassinated.  The image would have been seared into their memories for life.

[John Corbett]

Was he shot earlier in the motorcade? Witnesses said he was waving to people on the right when the first shot sounded and he immediately reacted to it.  Where else do you see that occurring?

Once again you make the foolish mistake of assuming what a witness has said is an established fact. You'll never figure out the JFKA as long as you have that mindset.

They likely would not have to make notes to remember seeing the President right in front of them being assassinated.  The image would have been seared into their memories for life.

There's no reason to think the position of the car would have been "seared into their memories for life".

[Jack Nessan]

Why is that clear. What is clear is she didn't remember things happened the way Zapruder's camera did.
You can be too close to an event to see it clearly. It narrows the focus.
Are you serious? She just saw her husband seriously wounded and the President murdered in a gruesome way and you think she would just calmly take it all in. Ridiculous
Neither's testimony spot on. JFK's arms did not remain locked in a raised postion. By Z312 his elbows were back down.

Why is that clear. What is clear is she didn't remember things happened the way Zapruder's camera did.

Sure, she did. She did remember things happened the way Zapruder's film did. BC and Nelly watched the film in the hospital. JBC had two completely different statements concerning the assassination. Now you know why.

Mr. SPECTER. I have just one other question, Governor. With respect to the films and the slides which you have viewed this morning, had you ever seen those pictures before this morning?
Governor CONNALLY. I had seen what purported to be a copy of the film when I was in the hospital in Dallas. I had not seen the slides.

[Andrew Mason]

Once again you make the foolish mistake of assuming what a witness has said is an established fact. You'll never figure out the JFKA as long as you have that mindset.

No assumption at all. I take the evidence at face value and examine the rest of the evidence ce to see if there is other evidence that conflicts with it. I reject it only if there is a good reason ie. other evidence that conflicts with it. I don't assume that it is wrong because it is a human witness like you do.

There's no reason to think the position of the car would have been "seared into their memories for life".

Unless you were there, how would you know? Those who were there - like Mary Woodward, John Templin,Ernest Brandt, Tina Towner, Linda Willis, Rosemary Willis, Bob Jackson and others who made Living History contributions to the Sixth Floor Museum - would say otherwise.

[John Corbett]

No assumption at all. I take the evidence at face value and examine the rest of the evidence ce to see if there is other evidence that conflicts with it. I reject it only if there is a good reason ie. other evidence that conflicts with it. I don't assume that it is wrong because it is a human witness like you do.

Unless you were there, how would you know? Those who were there - like Mary Woodward, John Templin,Ernest Brandt, Tina Towner, Linda Willis, Rosemary Willis, Bob Jackson and others who made Living History contributions to the Sixth Floor Museum - would say otherwise.

The best evidence we have is the Z-film and any witness statement that conflicts with that should be dismissed. Because won't do that, you reach the ridiculous conclusion that JBC wasn't hit until Z270 and that the reason his is doubled over and dipping hard to his right is because he was trying to see JFK. I suppose you could have come up with a sillier interpretation of the Z-film, but it is hard to imagine how.

[Andrew Mason]

The best evidence we have is the Z-film and any witness statement that conflicts with that should be dismissed. Because won't do that, you reach the ridiculous conclusion that JBC wasn't hit until Z270 and that the reason his is doubled over and dipping hard to his right is because he was trying to see JFK. I suppose you could have come up with a sillier interpretation of the Z-film, but it is hard to imagine how.

There is no evidence provided in the zfilm that is inconsistent with JBC not reacting to his chest wound before z255. His actions are quite consistent with the rest of the evidence, which is that there has only been one shot to that point.  We have Altgens who was there and took the picture and confirms that. The problem is not with the zfilm. The problem is that the zfilm alone cannot tell you where the second shot occurred.