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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: CIA Wallets at Tenth and Patton
« Reply #98 on: Today at 09:31:37 AM »
The Weidmann method:

1.) Make unsupported assertion.

2.) Demand that the other guy find evidence for said unsupported assertion

3.) Whine that the other guy is "playing games"

4.) When the other guy points out the games you play, whine some more.

 :D

And here we go, round and round again...

Still no explanation of what is wrong with the case I have presented. Only a waste of time...

Online Mitch Todd

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Re: CIA Wallets at Tenth and Patton
« Reply #99 on: Today at 05:01:02 PM »
And here we go, round and round again...

Still no explanation of what is wrong with the case I have presented. Only a waste of time...
You haven't actually made a case. That's my point. You've just made some unsupported assertions, then demanded that I investigate them for you. 

Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: CIA Wallets at Tenth and Patton
« Reply #100 on: Today at 06:04:49 PM »
You haven't actually made a case. That's my point. You've just made some unsupported assertions, then demanded that I investigate them for you.

Again the same BS I've become accustomed to from you.

I'll give this one more try; Bentley, Carroll, Hill and Walker brought Oswald to the homicide bureau at City Hall and left him there with some uniformed officers. They went to the personnel office where some officers initialed the S & W revolver and a gray jacket. According to Hill, in his WC testimony, this happened at around 4:00 PM but in his report to Chief Curry of 3 December 1963 he gave the time as 3:15 PM.

Paul Bentley, wrote in his report to Chief Curry of 2 December 1963: "On the way to City Hall I removed the suspect's wallet and obtained his name. Not a word about finding a Hidell ID! He also wrote: Sgt. Jerry Hill had the S&W 38 cal pistol with six (6) shells in his possession on the way to the City Hall. This pistol was initialed by me and turned over to Lt. Baker and Captain Fritz by Sgt. Hill. I turned his identification over to Lt. Baker. I then went to Westbrook's Office to make a report of the arrest.

The information of Hill and Bentley combined justifies IMO the conclusion that the revolver and Oswald's identification were turned over to Lt. Baker at some time after 3:15 PM which matches with 3:25 PM time on the receipt of the evidence room, where the wallet, the revolver and several personal items of Oswald were submitted by traffic officer Bardin.

If you wish to argue that Bentley turned in the wallet/identification to Lt Baker earlier, you will not find any evidence for that. 

But even if Bentley did hand in the wallet/identification to Lt. Baker just after leaving Oswald with the uniformed officers at the Homicide Bureau it still does explain how C.T. Walker could claim that he had the Hidell identification and it most certainly doesn't explain how Detective Guy Rose was given a wallet in which he found the Hidell ID. Rose arrived at City Hall just after Oswald was brought in and when he got to the Homicide Bureau an unidentified person gave him a wallet and said it belonged to Oswald.

All I said was;


I don't see how the wallet in both stories could be the same one. So, what's a possible explanation? If we disregard the obvious contradiction of the revolver's chain of custody, and only focus on the wallet; it needs to be considered that C.T. Walker was at the Tippit crime scene. The only way I can fit Bentley's wallet story and Walker's wallet story in one narrative is by concluding that Bentley did in fact take a wallet from Oswald, which did not contain the Hidell ID, and kept it until turning it over to Lt Baker at around 4:00 PM, and Walker had the wallet found at the Tippit scene which he brought into City Hall where it was given to Guy Rose and subsequently was submitted to the evidence bureau at 3:35 PM.

If anybody can come with with another plausible explanation to square the two stories, I would love to hear it!

And so far no LN has come up with an answer and all I have gotten from you is denial.
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Online John Corbett

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Re: CIA Wallets at Tenth and Patton
« Reply #101 on: Today at 06:54:51 PM »
And so far no LN has come up with an answer and all I have gotten from you is denial.

No one has an obligation to disprove what you have never proven, only asserted.