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Offline Lance Payette

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Re: CIA Wallets at Tenth and Patton
« Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 12:57:45 PM »
The old planted wallet story always makes me laugh.  Imagine a plot to frame Oswald that involves planting his wallet at the Tippit murder scene.  Fantastic evidence that puts him at the crime scene.  Score one for the conspirators.  But what do these masterminds do? They suppress the planted wallet.  Why? Because Oswald has his real wallet on him when arrested. HA HA HA.  Something any child could have anticipated but the conspirators are caught by surprise.   And then given the choice of which wallet to suppress, they decide the suppress the more incriminating wallet left at the crime scene!  Wow.

Richard, you're just no fun. If you insist on thinking logically, what are we going to do with you? Take a week off, binge-watch Three Stooges episodes on YouTube, and get back to us when you're ready to think outside the box of rationality.

Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: CIA Wallets at Tenth and Patton
« Reply #8 on: Yesterday at 09:05:58 PM »
Richard, you're just no fun. If you insist on thinking logically, what are we going to do with you? Take a week off, binge-watch Three Stooges episodes on YouTube, and get back to us when you're ready to think outside the box of rationality.

What would be a logical explanation for Bentley not mentioning Hidell when he took the wallet from Oswald in order to identify him. What is a logical explanation for the lack of a chain of custody for that wallet and how can it be logically explained that an - until this day - unidentified police officer ended up with a wallet, which he gave to Gus Rose, that did contain the Hidell ID? How did that officer even know it was Oswald's wallet?
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Online Benjamin Cole

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Re: CIA Wallets at Tenth and Patton
« Reply #9 on: Today at 01:44:21 AM »
Here is an article from CBS8 in Dallas re the LHO-Hidell wallet:

Wallet mystery from Officer Tippit's murder settled after 50 years

Evidence from a variety of sources including vintage WFAA news film may provide the proof that Lee Harvey Oswald shot Dallas police officer J.D. Tippit after President Kennedy was assassinated in 1963.

Author: WFAA Staff and WFAA.com (WFAA)
Published: 8:09 PM PST November 20, 2013

DALLAS No other crimes have been more analyzed or scrutinized than what happened in Dallas a half-century ago.

'It's been picked apart for decades,' said Farris Rookstool III, JFK historian and former FBI analyst, 'but the tragedy of this is no one has ever taken the due diligence of time to really put these pieces together until now.'

After five decades, Rookstool is sharing the strongest evidence yet that Lee Harvey Oswald murdered Dallas police Officer J.D. Tippit.

'The wallet puts him definitively at the scene of the crime,' Rookstool said.

Oswald's wallet has been a persistent mystery in recent years one Rookstool started studying. The mysterious billfold first appeared on WFAA in the afternoon of November 22, 1963.

WFAA program director Jay Watson, anchoring live coverage of the assassination, asked Channel 8 photographer Ron Reiland to join him on set and discuss film that Reiland just shot on the Oak Cliff street where Tippit was slain.

'Let's roll the film and we'll narrate it as we go,' Watson said on air.

Reiland, describing each scene to Watson, presumed the wallet seen on the film belonged to Officer Tippit.

'There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that this is Oswald's wallet,' Rookstool said.

So, Rookstool set out to prove it.

He compared the Channel 8 black-and-white film to Oswald's actual wallet in the National Archives. On each of them, circular snaps are visible, along with metal strips and perhaps the biggest similarity a zipper over the cash compartment.

Oswald's wallet is a different color and has different characteristics than Tippit's.

This month, for the first time, Marie Tippit shared her late husband's wallet with WFAA. Tippit's is black, has a different style snap no metal bar like Oswald's and does not have a zipper over the cash compartment.

A half hour east of Birmingham, Alabama is the only man alive today who saw Oswald's wallet at Tippit's murder scene.

'As I walked up, I happened to not knowingly step in a puddle of blood, which was Tippit's blood,' retired FBI Special Agent Bob Barrett recalled. 'I thought, 'Oh God, what have I done?''

He spent 27 years in the FBI and was asked to go to the Tippit murder scene that day by his friend, Dallas County Sheriff Bill Decker.

After arriving at 10th and Patton in North Oak Cliff, Barrett said, he recognized a Dallas police captain thumbing through a billfold.

'He said, 'Bob, you know all the crooks in town, all the hoodlums, etc. You ever heard of a Lee Harvey Oswald?' I said, 'No, I never have.' He said 'How about an Alec Hiddell?' I said, 'No. I never have heard of him either,'' Barrett explained. 'Why would they be asking me questions about Oswald and Hiddell if it wasn't in that wallet?'

In addition, the first Dallas cop on the Tippit crime scene said he actually recovered the wallet.

Sgt. Kenneth Croy, a reserve officer at the time, put it in writing on an 8' x 10' picture for Rookstool.

'First on the scene, recovered Oswald's wallet there, too,' Croy wrote on an image of Tippit's patrol car.

But officially, Dallas police told a different story. The department said it got Oswald's wallet from Oswald himself after his arrest a short time later at the Texas Theatre.

Barrett and Rookstool believe police made that up for the official report because too many officers handled the crucial piece of evidence at the shooting scene.

'They said they took the wallet out of his pocket in the car? That's so much hogwash,' Barrett said. 'That wallet was in [Captain] Westbrook's hand.'

'Bob's in Alabama. Kenneth Croy is in Hamilton, Texas,' Rookstool said. 'They had no relationship with each other than the fate of history put them at the scene of a crime.'

Rookstool says the testimony of Barrett and Croy, Tippit's billfold, and the WFAA film prove that Oswald's wallet was at the scene of the policeman's murder.

More than shell casings and eyewitness recollections, it is the first hard evidence placing Oswald there on that day.

It's significant in tying off a historical loose end and perfecting the record fifty years later.

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Well, like everything in the JFKA, clear as mud.


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Re: CIA Wallets at Tenth and Patton
« Reply #10 on: Today at 01:25:45 PM »
Most likely it's Tippit's citation book.  A logical thing for the investigators to do is look through it to see if perhaps he wrote down the name or license plate number before being shot.  It makes no sense for the conspirators to suppress a wallet they planted at the crime the scene to frame Oswald.  It also makes no sense for the police to suppress an Oswald wallet left at the scene where it would be highly incriminating and instead claim it was found during his arrest.  The double wallet explanation for suppressing any crime scene wallet makes no sense because the conspirators should have anticipated that Oswald would have his wallet when arrested or killed.  They would have to be baked into the plan.

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Re: CIA Wallets at Tenth and Patton
« Reply #11 on: Today at 02:42:20 PM »
Most likely it's Tippit's citation book. 

Garbage. They would have said that.
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Re: CIA Wallets at Tenth and Patton
« Reply #12 on: Today at 02:46:16 PM »
Most likely it's Tippit's citation book.  A logical thing for the investigators to do is look through it to see if perhaps he wrote down the name or license plate number before being shot.  It makes no sense for the conspirators to suppress a wallet they planted at the crime the scene to frame Oswald.  It also makes no sense for the police to suppress an Oswald wallet left at the scene where it would be highly incriminating and instead claim it was found during his arrest.  The double wallet explanation for suppressing any crime scene wallet makes no sense because the conspirators should have anticipated that Oswald would have his wallet when arrested or killed.  They would have to be baked into the plan.

Most likely it's Tippit's citation book.

It has been established some time ago that it isn't. Besides Barrett said it was a wallet!

It makes no sense for the conspirators to suppress a wallet they planted at the crime the scene to frame Oswald.

That would indeed make no sense, but nobody is suggesting that is what happened.