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Online Lance Payette

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Re: Applying Logic and Critical Thinking to the JFK Assassination
« Reply #28 on: Yesterday at 02:58:01 AM »
A bullet that nicks a window frame "logically" suggests the gunman was trying to miss and the attempt was staged? There would be 100 ways to miss, but the gunman zeroed in on the edge of a window frame? This is Conspiracy Logic 101, a/k/a Alice In Wonderland logic, a/k/a Anti-Logic.

I waded through Gerg Doudna's Walker scenario just as I waded through his Tippit scenario. It is a clever but completely preposterous effort by someone almost pathethically desperate to make a mark in JFKA research. I believe it might have been Kevin Balch who characterized his Tippit effort as an "off-Broadway production" - i.e., an entire cast of not very talented actors with a not very believable script.

Online Mark Ulrik

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Re: Applying Logic and Critical Thinking to the JFK Assassination
« Reply #29 on: Yesterday at 02:58:22 AM »
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Didn’t the bullet fired at Walker hit part of the window frame?

Yes, and it nicked the window pane in the process.

This is a good example of confirmation bias and faulty assumptions.

Apparently, it has not occurred to WC apologists that the fact that the bullet hit the window frame [...]

OK, Mr. Iron Logic. What part of "the bullet hit the window frame/pane" is fact, and what part is confirmation bias and faulty assumptions?

Online Lance Payette

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Re: Applying Logic and Critical Thinking to the JFK Assassination
« Reply #30 on: Yesterday at 03:07:50 AM »
Yes, and it nicked the window pane in the process.


This is a good example of confirmation bias and faulty assumptions.

Apparently, it has not occurred to WC apologists that the fact that the bullet hit the window frame [...]


OK, Mr. Iron Logic. What part of "the bullet hit the window frame/pane" is fact, and what part is confirmation bias and faulty assumptions?

Oh, I can answer that! It's your confirmation bias and faulty assumptions that causes you to think that someone who shoots and misses must have simply shot and missed. If you weren't a victim of such faulty thinking, cold logic would tell you that he intentionally missed and that this was a staged effort to try to give the apperance of an attempt on Walker. This is Greg Doudna's scenario. It's not clear to me, victim of confirmation bias and faulty assumptions that I am, how one could be certain that a bullet glancing off a wooden window frame would actually miss. It seems like it would be much safer just to aim a couple of inches to the side of Walker and shoot through the glass.

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Re: Applying Logic and Critical Thinking to the JFK Assassination
« Reply #31 on: Yesterday at 03:22:57 AM »
A bullet that nicks a window frame "logically" suggests the gunman was trying to miss and the attempt was staged? There would be 100 ways to miss, but the gunman zeroed in on the edge of a window frame? This is Conspiracy Logic 101, a/k/a Alice In Wonderland logic, a/k/a Anti-Logic.

Just one question. Are you serious?

Online Lance Payette

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Re: Applying Logic and Critical Thinking to the JFK Assassination
« Reply #32 on: Yesterday at 12:53:15 PM »
Just one question. Are you serious?

Just one question back at you: What on earth are you talking about?

I'm beginning to think you have the reading comprehension of a newt turnip.

My bad - I insulted newts. Apparently they can read at about an 8th grade level.

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Online Lance Payette

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Re: Applying Logic and Critical Thinking to the JFK Assassination
« Reply #33 on: Yesterday at 04:07:47 PM »
Since some are perhaps not familiar with Greg Doudna's off-Broadway production "The Walker Follies," here it is in a nutshell from one of Greg's recent posts at the Ed Forum:

The reconstruction in the staged shot is that Walker was signaled by man No. 1 who was standing in the southwest end of the church parking lot away from his car with its engine running and headlights turned on a short distance away, standing near the wooden stockade fence over which Kirk Coleman would climb and look seconds later after the shot. Walker could see man No. 1 through the north-facing window right next to where Walker was sitting at his desk. When signaled by man No. 1, Walker would drop to the floor. In the alley, after man No. 1 signaled to them, Surrey and Oswald have a rifle and one of them--since Surrey is in command, was more experienced with shooting, and was protective of Walker's safety, probably was the actual shooter, rather than Oswald—fires a single shot through the west-facing window at where Walker's head would have been if Walker were sitting normally at his desk--then hands the rifle to Oswald who runs off with it in the other direction, while Surrey takes a few steps out into the parking lot and is seen by Coleman walking to his parked car to drive away normally.

Your first sanity check: Could you read that without giggling? If you could not - indeed, you giggled, tittered, chuckled and guffawed - you pass. MTG apparently did not pass. Did not pass big-time.

If Walker - whom, you hopefully understand, is an active participant in the Follies - wants to stage an assassination attempt, WHY THE HELL is ANY of this elaborate scenario required??? And MTG takes this nuttiness even further and has hitting the window frame somehow EVIDENCE it was a staged attempt. I mean, WHAT???

If Doudna and MTG, both of whom are educated and intelligent, are actually serious, they have more loose screws than ACE Hardware. And people like Tom Gram think Greg is really onto something here. WHAT???

I keep waiting for folks who posit these silly scenarios to say "Hey, of course, I'm just goofing around, playing with ideas just for fun." But they never do.

Why do I mostly not engage with MTG's dark "facts"? Because his underlying theories are irrational to the point of "this guy belongs in an institution."

Why do people not understand that the THRESHOLD inquiry is:

DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE WHATSOEVER OUT HERE IN THE REAL WORLD?

The problem with the lunatic fringe of conspiracy theorizing, which is where MTG and Doudna are solidly ensconced, is that they DON'T EVEN CARE if it makes sense.
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Offline Greg Doudna

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Good morning Lance. I don’t believe you understand the issues here. I assure you I care very much about the truth and facts. The issue is new information, not possibly known before 2019 but known now (because of the car identification), that Walker aide Robert Surrey was witnessed having walked out of the alley position from where the shot was fired, only seconds after the shot was fired. Yet he does not have a rifle. But it was him.

Now it is all well and good for you to say it makes no sense that Oswald would be there too at the same time as Surrey in that alley, but you need to explain then do you think Oswald was or was not there too with Surrey. One starts with facts first, not with interpretation and then deny facts because the interpretation doesn’t seem to make sense.

And if you are tempted to kneejerk deny Kirk Coleman’s man No. 2 was Surrey going to Surrey’s car, then I don’t think you have read and appreciate the argument there.

Even the FBI in their investigation thought Coleman’s man No 2 was either a Walker person, involved in the shot, or a frightened witness, one of those three, take your pick—who are you to know better. Maybe show a little more humility in commenting on things you haven’t read or understand. That said, I normally like your astute analyses on most things. You’ve got this one wrong here though.

My abstract of the argument:
https://www.scrollery.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/Walker-chapter-summaries-110pdf.pdf
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