Dr. E. Forrest Chapman

[John Corbett]

FWIW:

Another snip from “Phantom Shot” by Mike Majerus and Jack Nessan:

It is very possible that the dent in CE 543 occurred as a result of Oswald using the shell casing multiple times for dry firing. During one of those times, it could have snagged while being rechambered or ejected. When the FBI examined CE 543, it found marks that indicated it had been loaded into and extracted from a weapon at least three times. (26WH:449; CE 2968). Warren Commission firearms expert Joseph Nicol did tests on CE 543 confirming this. He said the marks could definitely have been made by dry firing the shell casing. (3WH:509-510).

That is a theoretical possibility which the WC recognized without endorsing. If CE543 was used for dry firing by Oswald, that would mean only two shots were fired unless CE543 was a reload which seems far fetched to me.

I have read some theorize that somebody in the DPD might have inserted the empty shell into the Carcano to see if it fit the rifle and then dry fired it. That falls into the realm of theoretical possibility although I've never seen any evidence to support that.

[John Corbett]

No. JBC did not react until JFK has been hit and only heard two shots. Bennett is a two shot witness.

You lie. Bennett clearly states he was looking at the crowd to the right of the limo when he HEARD the first shot. He then turned toward JFK in time to see the SECOND shot hit JFK. He then saw the third shot hit JFK in the head. That makes three shots.

Brehm is a two shot witness.

Brehm can still be seen clapping after JFK had been hit by the SECOND shot. That's some witness.

Williams is a two shot witness, Jarman is a second shot was the headshot witness. Norman does not make a statement for four days. Eventually he even states he was only aware of two shots.   .

You're making excuses to dismiss all of these three witnesses who were closer to the gunman than anyone in Dealey Plaza and all of whom testified they heard three shots.

Seriously, does it not bother you that no one in Dealey Plaza heard this supposed early shot? Your only witness is a young girl on the sidewalk. Weren't there pigeons?

Your lies don't bother me at all.

[Charles Collins]

CE 543 was not fired in the rifle. 

Just look at the dent in CE 543 and compare it to the dents people are claiming are the same. They are not even remotely the same. The dent in CE 543 has a dimple in the center of the dent and below the rim. The dent Lutz was claiming has a rounded downward bent over dent on the rim. That is not the same dent. The interesting thing about Lutz is he stated the shell hit the floor but he doesn’t seem to clue in on how that could have put the rounded dent on the lip of the shell. No one has ever replicated the dent in CE 543. No one is sure how it was done.

Mr. Lutz....  “kicking the cartridge back
and ejecting the cartridge and causing it fall to the floor.”
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 Just personally messing around with the carcanos’, I do not see how the ejection process can cause a dent no matter how stupid a person gets pulling the bolt back. The shell is not released from the bolt until it bottoms out on the back ejector.

In Lutz’s testimony he gives the most likely cause for the dent in his statement that the shell hit the floor.

I don’t think that there is any mystery to it Jack. Here’s another AI response:

The Ejection Impact PointsWhen you cycle the action too fast, the physics of the Carcano system cause distinct contact points:The Locking Abutment / Inside Wall: As the case mouth clears the chamber, the fixed ejector violently kicks the base of the brass to the right. If the bolt velocity is high, the pivoting case mouth swings outward so fast that it slaps the inside right wall of the receiver before it can fully clear the action.The Rear Receiver Bridge: Because the cartridge is simultaneously moving backward with the bolt, a rapid cycle can fling the spinning case neck directly into the forward edge of the rear receiver split/bridge (the solid metal loop housing the bolt handle when locked).Optics Mounts: If your Carcano is a modified or scoped sporter model, a fast ejection will frequently slam the case neck into the underside of the scope base or the windage turret.


The two cartridges in question look very similar to me based on the photos I have seen. But if you are right and the dents are drastically different, then the two different potential impact points might explain the differences. In the image below I have drawn an arrow to the rear receiver bridge area. There is an empty cartridge shown flying above the action after turning end for end about 90-degrees. In the case where the bolt is pulled back extremely fast, the cartridge would spin end for end much faster and such that the neck impacts the rear receiver bridge area before it clears the receiver area. For me, that might explain the dent in CE 543.