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Reasonable Doubts?
Andrew Mason:
--- Quote from: Zeon Mason on June 13, 2026, 09:27:58 PM ---The bullet exiting his chest at Z270 per your sketch , how could it not have gone thru his hat held in his right hand if there was an exit wound at the base of the palm?
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The brim of the hat is gripped by his fingers. Whatever may have exited on the volar side of the forearm/wrist
located 2 cm above the wrist crease was some distance from the hat brim.
--- Quote ---Could you draw another sketch with how you think he’s holding the hat with the right hand?
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This is how he held his hat:
--- Quote ---If the official wrist wound description is correct that the entrance found was top of hand at the wrist and the exit was at the base of the palm then…
The hat had to be held in the right hand upside down so that the upper side of the right hand is hit first and the exit at the base of the palm follows.
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The entrance wound was 5 cm or 2 inches above the wrist crease on the back of the forearm. The hole in the french cuff was an inch above the end of the cuff:
The exit wound on the volar side was 2 cm or .8 of an inch above the wrist crease and was a small transverse slit ie. in the same direction as the crease.
There was a slit in the shirt sleeve just above the french cuff:
but it was not a transverse slit and its position does not correspond to the slit in the skin on the volar side of the wrist.
That is a bit odd if the slit in the shirt was caused by something exiting the wrist. If the entrance on the back was an inch above the end of the cuff and the slit in the skin was 1.2 inches lower toward the end of the cuff, whatever caused that transverse slit on the volar side should have missed the end of the cuff by .2 inches or .5 cm.
--- Quote ---So in your sketch for the angle of the shot at Z270, it looks like a hat in the right hand held upside down between both legs would have a bullet ( or fragment ) exiting the palm go thru the well of the hat.
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You should not make any assumptions about the object that caused the skin break on the volar side. It could have been a bullet fragment or a bone fragment. There were 5 bone fragments found in the wrist. I am not sure it wasn’t possible that a sharp edge of a bone fragment in the wrist penetrated the skin during the 5 minute trip to Parkland as JBC rolled around in the car. The slit in the shirt had to have been caused by something other than an exiting object because it is over 2 inches from the slit in the skin and it is at a right angle to it.
If one draws a line from the exit point on the wrist it looks to me that if something did exit the wrist it would have missed the hat brim and well of the hat.
Zeon Mason:
--- Quote from: John Corbett on June 13, 2026, 10:21:22 PM ---Do you mean it isn't already ludicrous enough for you?
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IDK why I keep asking questions. It may be akin to visiting a genius in the insane asylum and you ask questions that you think should convince the genius he’s wrong only to be surprised that he’s got another way of looking at the problem.
For example, the answer to my question about the hat position, persuaded the genius to post the Z268 frame which shows JC holding the hat being held by the right hand up near his chest.
The well of the hat is visible which means the right hand must have the palm facing away from the chest if the fingers are overlapping the rim and into the well. ( presuming Andrew agrees with my description of what I’m seeing in this Z268 frame.)
So if Andrew’s agrees with my description then the Z270 bullet exiting thru JCs chest is going to have to go thru the hat well if the bullet EXITS from the base of the palm of the hand.
This may be why Andrew’s last statement seems to me to suggest the bullet did NOT ENTER the wrist bone from the top of the hand and exit from the base of the palm. Rather it did something else that’s not quite like what average IQ people like myself seem to think the official conventional WC stated it did.
John Corbett:
--- Quote from: Zeon Mason on June 14, 2026, 01:49:28 AM ---IDK why I keep asking questions. It may be akin to visiting a genius in the insane asylum and you ask questions that you think should convince the genius he’s wrong only to be surprised that he’s got another way of looking at the problem.
For example, the answer to my question about the hat position, persuaded the genius to post the Z268 frame which shows JC holding the hat being held by the right hand up near his chest.
The well of the hat is visible which means the right hand must have the palm facing away from the chest if the fingers are overlapping the rim and into the well. ( presuming Andrew agrees with my description of what I’m seeing in this Z268 frame.)
So if Andrew’s agrees with my description then the Z270 bullet exiting thru JCs chest is going to have to go thru the hat well if the bullet EXITS from the base of the palm of the hand.
This may be why Andrew’s last statement seems to me to suggest the bullet did NOT ENTER the wrist bone from the top of the hand and exit from the base of the palm. Rather it did something else that’s not quite like what average IQ people like myself seem to think the official conventional WC stated it did.
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There are so many ludicrous elements to Andrew's scenario that the bullet missing the hat is the least problematic of them.
Andrew Mason:
--- Quote from: Zeon Mason on June 14, 2026, 01:49:28 AM ---
This may be why Andrew’s last statement seems to me to suggest the bullet did NOT ENTER the wrist bone from the top of the hand and exit from the base of the palm. Rather it did something else that’s not quite like what average IQ people like myself seem to think the official conventional WC stated it did.
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Here is the bullet hole in the front of JBC’s jacket:
This indicates that the bullet was still intact when exiting the chest.
However, if the evidence of Greer that he sensed an impact sound of something hitting in the car on the second shot and if Tague’s recollection of being struck by a fragment on the second shot are correct, then the bullet must have fragmented on striking the back of the wrist. The jagged and long hole in the back of the french cuff is consistent with irregular shaped fragments deflecting off the back of the wrist.
The bullet fragments created by forceful impact on the radius bone will necessarily deflect away from the point of contact on the radius.
If a still intact bullet struck the back of the wrist and this impact caused the bullet to fragment then all the fragments would have deflected away from the point of contact. That would have been upward and a bit to the left if it struck the wrist around z270. A fragment of bone could have penetrated through the skin on the volar side but not a bullet fragment created by the impact on the radius.
If that occurred, there was no bullet fragment that passed through the wrist. And, therefore, no bullet hole in the hat.
John Corbett:
--- Quote from: Andrew Mason on June 14, 2026, 04:14:55 AM ---Here is the bullet hole in the front of JBC’s jacket:
This indicates that the bullet was still intact when exiting the chest.
However, if the evidence of Greer that he sensed an impact sound of something hitting in the car on the second shot and if Tague’s recollection of being struck by a fragment on the second shot are correct, then the bullet must have fragmented on striking the back of the wrist. The jagged and long hole in the back of the french cuff is consistent with irregular shaped fragments deflecting off the back of the wrist.
The bullet fragments created by forceful impact on the radius bone will necessarily deflect away from the point of contact on the radius.
If a still intact bullet struck the back of the wrist and this impact caused the bullet to fragment then all the fragments would have deflected away from the point of contact. That would have been upward and a bit to the left if it struck the wrist around z270. A fragment of bone could have penetrated through the skin on the volar side but not a bullet fragment created by the impact on the radius.
If that occurred, there was no bullet fragment that passed through the wrist. And, therefore, no bullet hole in the hat.
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A whole lot of ifs there. I counted five but I might have missed one or two.
Here's what really happened with no ifs:
CE399 was the second bullet Oswald fired at JFK. It struck high on JFK's back about two inches right of his spine and exited from just below his Adam's apple. It began tumbling as it exited and entered JBC's back near his right armpit traveling almost sideways making an elongated entrance wound. It exited JBC's chest just below his right nipple, taking out a section of rib and continued tumbling. It struck JBC's right wrist traveling almost backward, depositing small lead fragments from lead core which was exposed at the base of the bullet. From there, it made a shallow penetration into JBC's left thigh before working it's way out and was discovered at Parkland Hospital on a gurney.
No if, ands, or buts needed.
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