"Overthinking" (or maybe not?) the Walker attempt

[Charles Collins]

It's hard to tell with the circles covering JFK but I'm estimating you have JFK's head to far inside. With his side against the side of the limo, I estimate the centerline of his head would only be about 9 inches inside that. I base that on my on body which is broader than JFK. I outweigh him by about 70 lbs. My ballpark estimate is the centerline of JFK's head would be at most 2 ft. from the outside edge of the limo.

I think I have that same model car although mine is not stamped Luckydiecast. I can't quite make out what the script is identifying the manufacturer but it is stamped Made in China. I've had mine about 10 years. My experience with model trains tells me manufacturers will often sell or duplicate the molds among themselves and it is not unusual to see that same item produced by two or more companies. It's very easy to change the embossed label. Mine indicates it was manufactured under license number 24048 if that means anything. The jump seats on mine fold down and then can be pushed forward completely out of the way.

I measured it (centerline of the model to edge of outside of the limo) at 3/4’ from the outside edge of the limo. That scales to be 18”.


I had previously ground away part of the model to simulate having the side of his torso against the inside edge of the side of the limo. Sorry about the sideways orientation. It’s apparently the image hosting site’s issue.




Here it is sitting in the limo.

[Zeon Mason]

I measured it (centerline of the model to edge of outside of the limo) at 3/4’ from the outside edge of the limo. That scales to be 18”.


I had previously ground away part of the model to simulate having the side of his torso against the inside edge of the side of the limo. Sorry about the sideways orientation. It’s apparently the image hosting site’s issue.




Here it is sitting in the limo.

Hey, could you find a Gumby doll and figure out how Govnr Connally was sitting on the jump seat and which way his legs were positioned and how he was likely holding his hat during the Z film sequence and try out Andrew’s twisted pretzel position for JC at Z270?

[John Corbett]

Hey, could you find a Gumby doll and figure out how Govnr Connally was sitting on the jump seat and which way his legs were positioned and how he was likely holding his hat during the Z film sequence and try out Andrew’s twisted pretzel position for JC at Z270?

I'd say that last picture is a fairly accurate representation of JFK's position in the limo. Assuming the side of the car is to scale, it does give a fairly good representation of JFK when he was shot in the back.

If you have another doll, I would just cut off the lower legs to allow it to fit and turn JBC's shoulders about where you think he was at Z222. You don't need the lower legs for this exercise.

[Charles Collins]

Hey, could you find a Gumby doll and figure out how Govnr Connally was sitting on the jump seat and which way his legs were positioned and how he was likely holding his hat during the Z film sequence and try out Andrew’s twisted pretzel position for JC at Z270?

I haven’t been able to find any models that size that have articulating extremities, etc. (Gumby style). Here’s a photo using what I have to give a rough idea of what I believe the positions were fairly close to. As far as Andrew’s twisted pretzel position, I suggest you sit in a low-to-the-floor seat and try it yourself. If you can manage to place yourself in that position you will find it uncomfortable and not something anyone would place themselves in for a lengthy motorcade route.

[John Corbett]

I haven’t been able to find any models that size that have articulating extremities, etc. (Gumby style). Here’s a photo using what I have to give a rough idea of what I believe the positions were fairly close to. As far as Andrew’s twisted pretzel position, I suggest you sit in a low-to-the-floor seat and try it yourself. If you can manage to place yourself in that position you will find it uncomfortable and not something anyone would place themselves in for a lengthy motorcade route.

I'd say the shoulder position of JBC is reasonably close to what it would have been when the single bullet struck. The problem with using those dolls is the shoulders can't turn independently of the hips. JBC's trunk would have rotated more than his hips which probably turned some but not as much as the shoulders. The legs would have turned even less. There's no way I could believe JBC would have rotate to his right while his left leg flare way out to the left. That's just one of the numerous problems with his goofy theory.

It's an easy proposition that anyone can test for themselves. Sit in a chair and try to look over your right shoulder. I think you will find that your legs will turn in the same general direction as the shoulders. They won't turn as much, but they will turn. It would be completely unnatural to rotate your shoulders while at the same time your left leg flared to the left. It just didn't happen.

Andrew has been stuck with this scenario for at least 18 years going back to when he was peddling it on McAdams' forum. It made no sense then and it still doesn't. He keeps trying to force as square peg in a round hole.

[Charles Collins]

I'd say the shoulder position of JBC is reasonably close to what it would have been when the single bullet struck. The problem with using those dolls is the shoulders can't turn independently of the hips. JBC's trunk would have rotated more than his hips which probably turned some but not as much as the shoulders. The legs would have turned even less. There's no way I could believe JBC would have rotate to his right while his left leg flare way out to the left. That's just one of the numerous problems with his goofy theory.

It's an easy proposition that anyone can test for themselves. Sit in a chair and try to look over your right shoulder. I think you will find that your legs will turn in the same general direction as the shoulders. They won't turn as much, but they will turn. It would be completely unnatural to rotate your shoulders while at the same time your left leg flared to the left. It just didn't happen.

Andrew has been stuck with this scenario for at least 18 years going back to when he was peddling it on McAdams' forum. It made no sense then and it still doesn't. He keeps trying to force as square peg in a round hole.

 

[Charles Collins]

I made a significant error and now I need to own up to it and correct things. The angle downwards from horizontal is about 55-degrees. I inadvertently used 35-degrees (that is actually the angle upwards from vertical, and the top angle of the triangle formed by the height and horizontal distance). When I set my tripod angle I made a mistake and used the wrong angle. So, here is what it looks like from the proper angle of 55-degrees.








As can be seen, when using the proper angle, the 2” target is closer to being correct than the 3” target is. I measured the apparent minimum distance to miss the entire limo (first image yellow line at bottom of the outside side of the limo) at 1-1/8”. This scales to be 27”. So I was wrong and John Corbett was closer to being correct than I was. Sorry everyone!