Why did Oswald go get his revolver?

[John Corbett]

Frazier refused to identify that bag as what he saw that morning.
That doesn't outweigh any bag evidence to the contrary

So you think an estimate of the bag's length based on a casual glance outweighs the forensic evidence tying Oswald to the bag. His palm and fingerprint on the bottom of the bag. The fibers in the bag that matched the blanket Oswald used to store his rifle. Isn't it rather odd that no other bag was found in the TSBD.

Forensic evidence should always outweigh eyewitness accounts which are notoriously inaccurate.

[Michael Capasse]

So you think an estimate of the bag's length based on a casual glance outweighs the forensic evidence tying Oswald to the bag. His palm and fingerprint on the bottom of the bag. The fibers in the bag that matched the blanket Oswald used to store his rifle. Isn't it rather odd that no other bag was found in the TSBD.

Forensic evidence should always outweigh eyewitness accounts which are notoriously inaccurate.

  lame
 
Frazier was sure of what he saw:

Mr. BALL - You say he had the package under his arm when you saw him?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL - You mean one end of it under the armpit?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; he had it up just like you stick it right under your arm like that.

Mr. BALL - And he had the lower part--
Mr. FRAZIER - The other part with his right hand.

Mr. BALL - Right hand?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right.

Mr. BALL - He carried it then parallel to his body?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right, straight up and down.

Representative FORD - Under his right arm?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.

FBI conclusions on markings and fibers in the bag:

Mr. CADIGAN. "There were no marks on this bag that I could say were caused by that rifle or any other rifle or any other given instrument."

DPD on the prints on the bag:

Mr. BALL. You say you dusted it?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. With that magnetic powders.

Mr. BALL. Did you lift any prints?

Mr. STUDEBAKER. There wasn't but just smudges on it - is all it was.
There was one little ole piece of a print and I'm sure I put a piece of tape on it preserve it.

Not very overwhelming. Is it?

[Lance Payette]

Oswald’s other most ridiculous mistakes include:

1. Ordering a rifle by using a fake name that he had used in letters sent home while he was living in the USSR.

2. Listing that same fake name as an alternate to receive mail  at his own Oswald named P.O. Box.

3. Carrying the same fake ID on his person after leaving the boarding house carrying a revolver linked to the MC rifle mail order receipt.

4. Continuing to carry the revolver on his person after shooting Tippit and even while sitting down in the theater right up to pulling it out as the police officer McDonald approached.

5. Leaving his MC rifle unsecured in the Paines garage while Oswald lived 5 days a week at the boarding house. So how could he be able to practice shooting targets if he didn’t do so when he was visiting at the Paines residence on the weekends?

6. Getting his wife to take pictures of him holding an MC rifle and a revolver on his person while displaying  2 pro Marxist magazines.

7. Not using gloves while making the bag, transporting the rifle in the bag, moving boxes at the SN.

8. Having no plan how to dispose of the rifle so it would never have been found after the shooting.

9. If all the other mistakes above had not been made, it was still a huge mistake for Oswald to leave the TSBD so quickly thereby being absent when all other the TSBD employees remained and were rounded up eventually for roll call.

So even if Oswald had avoided that horrible ( and totally unnecessary.) choice to shoot Tippit execution style , all the OTHER stupid choices virtually guaranteed that he woukd be a prime suspect.

The CT general view seems to be that Oswald  could not have been so stupid  as to make so many ridiculous mistakes. And that perhaps all these pieces of physical evidence were due to some other reason(s) related to any number of CT theories that have been proposed in hundreds of books over 60 years.

This is all well-stated. Much of it has to with choices long before the JFKA would have been in his mind. We do consistently see Oswald just being Oswald - lying and playing games when there is seemingly no reason. I have a relative like this - so "Oswald like" that before I knew him the family suspected he was a CIA agent when in fact he's just an ordinary clod with a paranoid streak who plays these games for some reason that makes sense only to him.

The events of 11-22 to me are best explained by "a guy at the end of his rope making a last minute decision to go out with a bang and not really caring if he died in the process." But yet ... his demeanor that morning really doesn't suggest this, nor does getting his revolver or shooting Tippit. So then I have to add "a guy who was astounded he survived and found himself outside the TSBD, realized he actually had at least some shot at getting away with the crime, and frantically started thinking on his feet as to what to do next." But yet ... going to his rooming house, getting his revolver and walking down the sidewalk doesn't really seem to fit that narrative. And why did he not have Whaley stop right in front of the rooming house - or perhaps even wait and take him far away?

Hence, it does lend itself to CT theories that he knew things and was doing things that don't fit the LN narrative.

[Lance Payette]

lame
 
Frazier was sure of what he saw:

Mr. BALL - You say he had the package under his arm when you saw him?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL - You mean one end of it under the armpit?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; he had it up just like you stick it right under your arm like that.

Mr. BALL - And he had the lower part--
Mr. FRAZIER - The other part with his right hand.

Mr. BALL - Right hand?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right.

Mr. BALL - He carried it then parallel to his body?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right, straight up and down.

Representative FORD - Under his right arm?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.

FBI conclusions on markings and fibers in the bag:

Mr. CADIGAN. "There were no marks on this bag that I could say were caused by that rifle or any other rifle or any other given instrument."

DPD on the prints on the bag:

Mr. BALL. You say you dusted it?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. With that magnetic powders.

Mr. BALL. Did you lift any prints?

Mr. STUDEBAKER. There wasn't but just smudges on it - is all it was.
There was one little ole piece of a print and I'm sure I put a piece of tape on it preserve it.

Not very overwhelming. Is it?

And then you have the threshold "What sense does it make?" question. WHY make a "bag" at the TSBD wrapping station in the first place, with the risks that would entail -  both at the time and including the risk of Frazier or Marina wondering why you have that big crinkly bag folded up inside your jacket? It's certainly possible he made it, but it seems to me an extremely odd and unlikely choice.

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

I am mainly interested in what happened in Dealey Plaza, & az u all know i am No1 in that area.
But the Tippet etc aftermath iz interesting.
Oswald might hav had a plane waiting. Very unlikely. He didnt hav that good a plan.
He might hav needed the handgun to get cash, to go to Mexico.  Nope.
He might hav had a possible safe house in the area. In which case he fetched hiz handgun etc koz he woz a tightwad. Yes. Thats probly it.

[Tommy Shanks]

I am mainly interested in what happened in Dealey Plaza, & az u all know i am No1 in that area.
But the Tippet etc aftermath iz interesting.
Oswald might hav had a plane waiting. Very unlikely. He didnt hav that good a plan.
He might hav needed the handgun to get cash, to go to Mexico.  Nope.
He might hav had a possible safe house in the area. In which case he fetched hiz handgun etc koz he woz a tightwad. Yes. Thats probly it.

Can you please post in something t more akin to properly spelled English? How do you expect anybody to wade through your bizarre jargon?

[Lance Payette]

I am mainly interested in what happened in Dealey Plaza, & az u all know i am No1 in that area.
But the Tippet etc aftermath iz interesting.
Oswald might hav had a plane waiting. Very unlikely. He didnt hav that good a plan.
He might hav needed the handgun to get cash, to go to Mexico.  Nope.
He might hav had a possible safe house in the area. In which case he fetched hiz handgun etc koz he woz a tightwad. Yes. Thats probly it.

It seems to me that the only rational CT theories have to be along the lines of:

1. Oswald was a gunman in a conspiracy that had absolutely nothing resembling an escape plan. His odds of simply walking out of the TSBD were infinitesimal. If he bought into a conspiracy with the plan "Get your fanny out of there somehow, go home by public transportation and get your revolver, and meet us at the rendezvous point" - well, come on, Oswald was way smarter than that.

2. He was a patsy but knew his rifle was on the sixth floor and would be identified as the murder weapon, so he panicked instead of doing something rational like running to the nearest policeman. If he was a completely oblivious patsy, his post-JFKA actions make no sense.

No, wait a minute: In #2, his actions sort of would make sense. He realizes he's a patsy and that the only good patsy is a dead patsy. He figures they are going to kill him right then and there. So he hightails it out of the TSBD, has Whaley drop him off two blocks from the rooming house (because maybe they are waiting for him) and gets his revolver for protection. Not great, I'll admit, but better than #1.

Either of those is a tough sell.