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Online Lance Payette

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Re: President Johnson: “Fidel Castro Got Kennedy First”
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2026, 03:50:54 PM »
LP--

LBJ and former CIA director James Woolsey would disagree with you. But what do they know?

Each to his own.

Caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions.

I don't think LBJ and Woolsey knew any more than anyone else - Woolsey considerably less than most LNers and CTers. Your original piece connects "LBJ, with access to top secret information" to his statement about Castro. It doesn't say "access to top secret information that Castro had orchestrated the assassination" because there wasn't any. LBJ, of course, knew that good old Cui bono? pointed at him, so his Castro statement was somewhat self-serving.

Online John Corbett

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Re: President Johnson: “Fidel Castro Got Kennedy First”
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2026, 04:00:34 PM »
I don't think LBJ and Woolsey knew any more than anyone else - Woolsey considerably less than most LNers and CTers. Your original piece connects "LBJ, with access to top secret information" to his statement about Castro. It doesn't say "access to top secret information that Castro had orchestrated the assassination" because there wasn't any. LBJ, of course, knew that good old Cui bono? pointed at him, so his Castro statement was somewhat self-serving.

LBJ's confusion is understandable given that he was getting most of his information from the clueless Mr. Hoover.

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Re: President Johnson: “Fidel Castro Got Kennedy First”
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2026, 05:21:21 PM »
Max Holland's book "The Assassination Tapes" has transcripts of a number of calls that LBJ made on the assassination. He was receiving all sorts of odd information from various sources about what happened. And not just from Hoover. The columnist Drew Pearson first told him about the Mafia plots, specifically the Roselli allegations.

He later told Ramsey Clark this:



LBJ was repeating something he heard about Castro capturing the Mafia assassins and then retaliating against JFK by using Oswald. The rest of the book has numerous accounts of LBJ promoting this type of stuff.
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Online Lance Payette

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Re: President Johnson: “Fidel Castro Got Kennedy First”
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2026, 06:22:44 PM »
New York Times article from 1976, when Howard K. Smith reported what LBJ had said in 1968. My guess is that LBJ actually knew no more than yours truly, possibly considerably less.

Lyndon B. Johnson privately linked Premier Fidel Castro of Cuba to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, Howard K. Smith, the ABC News commentator, said last night, quoting from what he called a “confidential” convexsation with President Johnson in his tenure in the White House.

“Mr. Johnson often dealt in blarney; and what he told me may have been that,” Mr. Smith said, in reporting the conversation.

“I'll tell you something [about Kennedy's murder) that will rock you,” Mr. Smith quoted the late President as saying. “Then he said, Kennedy was trying to get to Castro, but Castro got to him first,” Mr. Smith continued.

“I was rocked all right, begged for details,” Mr. Smith added. “He refused, saying it will all come out one day."

Mr. Smith, who based his report on “thorough notes,” written an hour after the conversation, said he was making the conversation public because the issue of the assassination had been “revived, responsibly, by Senators.”

As “evidence that belief in Cuban assassination plots was alive in Washington,” during Mr. Johnson's first months in office, Mr. Smith said that Mr. Johnson's airplane had once been diverted from Miami to an obscure rural airport because of a rumor that “a Cuban kamikaze pilot had been ordered to ram his plane.”


Those dang Cuban kamikaze pilots, they're the worst.
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Online John Corbett

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Re: President Johnson: “Fidel Castro Got Kennedy First”
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2026, 07:23:35 PM »
I would wager that most of us are better informed about the JFKA than LBJ simply because we didn't get the bulk of our information from Hoover.

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Re: President Johnson: “Fidel Castro Got Kennedy First”
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2026, 12:55:57 AM »

"Might keep you out of other people's hair for awhile though with your non sequitor 'research'"--Veronica

non sequitur

Proper spelling in English is difficult enough for many, just check the comments section anywhere on the internet, especially sports or celebrity-oriented content. You are not alone!

You are obviously challenged enough---stay to monosyllabic, Germanic root words, and you'll be fine. Or mostly anyway.

LBJ, former CIA Director James Woolsey, Gus Russo and others suspect LHO-G2 connections. I suspect the same.

I have reasonable doubts about the WC LN theory, and the more-exotic left-wing JFKA narratives. Or narratives financed by Moscow and Tehran.

If you disagree, that is fine. But keep a dictionary handy.

Online John Corbett

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Re: President Johnson: “Fidel Castro Got Kennedy First”
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2026, 01:10:21 PM »
There is obviously a hierarchy of conspiracy theories insofar as making any rational sense is concerned.

I place the Mafia at the top because the Mafia had the best motive imaginable (big, big money and an intense hatred of JFK).

For the same reason, right-wing Texas oilmen are right there as well - big, big money and intense hatred.

For either of these, Oswald would have been the perfect patsy: A Russkie-loving, Castro-loving Marxist would point the finger as far from the Mafia and right-wing Texas oilmen as humanly possible. The fact that he pointed at Castro and might cause an invasion of Cuba would have thrilled the Mafia and not displeased the oilmen.

I suppose "anti-Castro Cuban exiles enraged by the Bay of Pigs" would be a step or two below these.

I have a difficult time making any sense of the currently favored CIA-type theories, or any elaborate, multi-faceted theory for that matter.

The insurmountable problem with KGB/G2-type theories is that Oswald would point the finger right at them. They choose an erratic goof with a cheesy rifle whose entire life will point the finger right at them if he's caught and they do absolutely nothing to prevent him from being caught - and they do this because "Hey, he's working in the TSBD and JFK's limousine is going to slow down right in front of it"?

Nah, just not plausible. Cubans who shared Oswald's pro-Castro sympathies might have ratched-up his anti-JFK feelings, but it is extremely implausible that anyone actually connected with the KGB, G2 or Castro would have been involved in any capacity. Khrushchev and Castro would obviously have understood what LBJ did - using an assassin like Oswald would have invited a massive invasion of Cuba at best and nuclear war at worst.

I don't have a list of possible conspirators because there is zero evidence had any accomplices.